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Originally Posted by peacegirl
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Originally Posted by Spacemonkey
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Originally Posted by peacegirl
No, they are not the same photons.
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Then you have incorrectly answered our questions. I asked you quite specifically about the photons which are at the retina at 12:00, and you told me they came from the Sun and were also located at the Sun at 12:00. |
Not the same photons Spacemonkey. Photons at the retina are not the same photons that are at the Sun. You have misunderstood me all this time?  |
No,
you've misunderstood
me. The photons I asked you about were those at the retina, and you told me they came from the Sun and were located there at 12:00. But that is the same time that they are at the retina. If you were talking about different photons then you weren't answering what I asked.
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Originally Posted by peacegirl
But this does not change the fact that what we are seeing is a mirror image of the object. We are not getting blue photons before red, which would be logical in the afferent account since distance and time are factors that do not exist in the efferent account.
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I'm still not saying anything at all about blue vs. red photons. Please answer my questions, without contradiction this time:-
Did the photons which are at the retina (at 12:00 when the Sun is first ignited) come from the Sun? [Yes or No]
Were they ever located at the Sun? [Yes or No]
If so, when were they located at the Sun? [State a time relative to the moment of ignition of the Sun]
If not, where did they come from? [State a physical object or location]