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Originally Posted by Peacegirl
but in order to identify a person we need a name.
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That's why we can't get a visualization of a person unless the name of that person is retrieved.
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Originally Posted by Peacegirl
This allows us to identify that person whether it's in our minds or in real life.
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Originally Posted by Vivisectus
Your next step is going to be to say that while we may be able to do some distinguishing, it is not real distinguishing, as language helps distinguishing things,
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Originally Posted by Peacegirl
That is absolutely true. We can see differences, but the word helps us to identify and categorize.
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You are so predictable. So let us recap: we cannot see without language. We cannot distinguish without words, only really we kind of can, and words just
help with the distinguishing, because when you think about it for three minutes in stead of just automatically believing and admiring anything your father ever said, it turns out we distinguish things we do not know a word for all the time.
Also, we see things before we can see them: we cannot see them without projecting a relation, but in order to know which relation to project, we must first detect what is out there somehow.
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There's no doubt about how language works in relation to objects, or we wouldn't need language. Language is a cognitive skill that is specific to humans.
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No, you mean that you do not doubt that.
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I don't believe a dog can visualize because he can't form a relation between object and name, but he can identify through smell and sound.
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People who actually study dog behvior disagree.
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My dog just had surgery and before they brought her out, she heard me talking to the receptionist way down the hall and she started barking like crazy. She recognized the inflection in my voice and responded. She will do the same with smell, but when I walk in the house, she is cautious until she gets close enough to recognize through her sense of smell that it's me.
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Is this one of those "observations" that trumps proper research, which can be misleading, while anecdotal evidence like this (with it's wonderful leap to a desired conclusion) is way more solid?
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I believe he is accurate when he writes this, so I will repeat it:
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I know you do. That is why you do not mind how irrational it is.