[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Why are you handwaving away the fact that dogs cannot identify their masters from a picture or a still video without any other cues?

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

Since that's not true, I'm not "hand waving away" anything. Why are you ignoring the fact that dozens of independent experiments have conclusively demonstrated that there are many non-human species (including not just mammals, but birds, and apparently even some insects) that can recognize and distinguish between different faces? Why have you outright stated that you wouldn't read them when provided with links to these experiments?

Reading the results is not seeing the proof. Why are there no videos showing that insects and birds can recognize people as separate individuals? As far as the one with the dog and the lever, I don't think the experiment was reliable. Let more experiments replicate the results.

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

All of which is beside the point anyway, since there's no particular reason we'd expect non-human animals to be able to recognize and distinguish between faces.

That's true, but why? Why are the eyes so different in animals? A sense organ is supposed to send a message to the brain that can be interpreted as an image, so why can't dogs recognize the image of his master, like he can identify the smell of his master, or the sound of his master? That's a fair question which leads to Lessans' explanation.

If you believe that Lessans is so wrong and I'm just a believer, why are you here?

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

I have a duty to confront lies and hypocrisy masquerading as science.

You don't know whether this is real science, that's the problem.

You seem really upset, and I don't want you to feel that way.

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

You're wrong on at least one of those claims, and likely both of them.

Okay.

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

I have a hypothetical for you. Let us suppose that someone sets up a digital video camera in ... let's say, China. Heck, let's be more specific and say Beijing. The camera is turned on and pointed at an eye chart.

The impulses the camera generates are beamed to a satellite, which relays them to a receiver (not a video screen, a receiver) in ... let's say, California. Heck, let's say Los Angeles.

The impulses are relayed directly to a person's visual cortex.

Now, note that there are no video screens involved at all -- no "pixels."

So, if the person at the end of this chain -- literally on the other side of the world -- can identify the letters on the eye chart, would this experiment disprove Lessans' claims regarding how we see?

If the person wasn't seeing the eye chart, but was just getting impulses being sent from across the world, that would be pretty conclusive that the brain is decoding these impulses into a visual. Have they done experiments like this where the object (in this case the eye chart) is completely out of view and the only thing the brain interprets is the impulse coming in?

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

I advise you to think very carefully before answering, by the way ...

I'm trying, but please don't call me a liar if I still have questions.