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Originally Posted by peacegirl
Would you please stop telling me I'm weaseling?
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Originally Posted by Spacemonkey
No. When you weasel instead of answering I will point out that you are weaseling. You are a self-confessed weasel, and you are once again weaseling. If you don't like this being pointed out then stop doing it.
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Maybe if you weren't so demanding, I'd have a different attitude, but I don't like people telling me to give them more more more more more. You never say thank you for what I have given you!
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Originally Posted by peacegirl
The reason you are numerically 100 and not 101 is because there is no numerical difference between the YOU that was 100 who just died, and the YOU that is now being born, which is not 101 (as if you're still here), but 100.
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Originally Posted by Spacemonkey
That's not a supporting reason. You've just repeated what I asked you to show his reasoning for. Did Lessans not actually support this point with any reasoning? Is this just another assertion from him? Or is the problem just that you don't understand what his reasoning was?
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Don't start again telling me this is an assertion. It is not. His reasoning was based on 3 valid observations which helped him see this relation that others seemed to miss.
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Originally Posted by peacegirl
Our Posterity
p. 499 Now that mom and dad have you they decide to have another
child, and when it is born it is not you because you already exist.
Soon mom gives birth to a total of ten. Then several years later you
get married and give birth to two children, making a total of 14 in
your family. Before long there are 50 family members in all. After
reaching a ripe old age of 100 years you drop dead from heart failure,
so this body, this bubble of consciousness is gone which makes it
impossible for you to say that the next child born is him or her
because this relation must pass through your consciousness which is
no longer here.
If you, the 50th member of your family said ‘I’ just
before your death, and the remaining members of your family are still
alive at the time that you died; and if it is impossible to be born and
not say ‘I’ because everything must be seen through your
consciousness, the next infant born cannot possibly be him or her,
number 51, but YOU, number 50. In other words, since your family
just lost YOU, which decreased the population to 49, and since these
remaining 49 members are not you because they have their own
consciousness, but they still want YOU, when you are born YOU will
not be him or her, number 51, but you, number 50, who will grow,
develop and become conscious of your existence.
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Originally Posted by Spacemonkey
Where is the reasoning here? He points out that it is impossible for you to be reborn while you are still alive, but then simply asserts
without any supporting reasoning that once you die the next born individual will be you.
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He is trying to show that it has to be YOU. I know this is a difficult concept because you are extending these principles while you're still alive. I also think you may be getting confused when he says you are the next child born, as if to say that the YOU that is born is a replacement for the person who just died in some numerical way.
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Originally Posted by Spacemonkey
Where is his reasoning to support this claim?
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He's trying to show you that it has to be YOU, because this world can only be seen through your consciousness. That's what he means when he said isn't it strange that YOU are here right now, this infinitesimal moment in time? It's not strange when you understand that YOU, not Spacemonkey, but someone who recognizes his individuality, will always be here. That's very comforting to me, even though I don't want to leave my family prematurely. It's also wonderful to know that at the same time this knowledge is being uncovered, war and crime are coming to an end so that the chances of leaving this world prematurely will no longer be a threat.
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Originally Posted by peacegirl
Why are you not listening? I told you I'm doing the best I can but I am not going to continue the discussion on death.
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Originally Posted by Spacemonkey
What a crock of shit. Refusing to even continue the conversation is obviously not doing the best that you can to explain things or answer questions.
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What temper you have!
