[peacegirl]

Again, you are missing the point and focusing on a triviality because it remains quite clear that an infant cannot excrete mercury as well as an adult.

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

Hardly trivial - but that is beside the point.

What I am getting at is that a lot of the anti-vax literature consists of people with little medical knowledge and training repeating each others mistakes without noticing, just like you did right there.

It is true that misinformation can spread, but more and more researchers are agreeing that vaccines may be contributing to these disorders, some of whom are biochemists.

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

No, they really are not. Please define

a) "These Disorders"
b) how many researchers agree, since when, and how many do not.

If not, you are making stuff up. If you where a blogger, someone else would spread it.

But hey in the new world, you would never say that unless you had proof positive that you were right, wouldn't you? It is only because you can justify it that you are talking out of your ass..

I'm not making stuff up. And what are you ranting and raving about regarding the new world? I would not give advice that I'm not sure of. If in the new world you want to, and you feel strongly that you know whereof you speak, then who is stopping you from giving it? There is no one looking over your shoulder. But you would have to live with the guilt if someone was hurt by your advice. It's as simple as that.

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

And yet you cannot tell me

- How many scientists agree, or how else you know that more and more scientists agree
- What these disorders are, how often they happen, and how this number is increasing

...so you are just making that up. Or, possibly, repeating information you read somewhere without checking up on it.

"ranting and raving"? I would not dare try that in front of a mistress in the art of histrionics.

I have posted so many studies, I can't help it if you refuse to read them.

You still don't get it. This is not a black and white subject Vivisectus. There are lot of unknowns.

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

The unknowns are all against vaccinating, though. What we actually know speaks in favor.

No it doesn't, but of course you will fight me tooth and nail even when the pattern that is emerging tells a different story.

The Healthiest Children In The Future Will Be Unvaccinated – By Dave Mihalovic, Naturopathic Doctor
Posted on December 8, 2011 by The Refusers

Before It’s News, December 07, 2011

Dave Mihalovic is a Naturopathic Doctor who specializes in vaccine research, cancer prevention and a natural approach to treatment

The emerging generation of unvaccinated children will be among the healthiest in the world, and they’ll have their parents to thank. The refusal of significant numbers of parents to vaccinate their children has created a sizable population numbering in the millions around the world and has raised a number of important public health issues, namely why do we continue to vaccinate at all.

Unvaccinated children will never have dangerous, immune suppressing, carcinogenic, neurotoxic and infertility promoting chemicals pumped into their bodies. These include those chemicals that are found in almost every FDA approved vaccine.

According to Dr. Buchwald, “the reason vaccinations are promoted with such intensity is to prevent people from realising that vaccines do not protect and also in the event of an outbreak or an epidemic the vaccinated are as much at risk of becoming infected as the unvaccinated. The truth can be kept hidden if people’s vaccination status remains unknown and if everyone is vaccinated, making a comparison with unvaccinated people impossible. This is also the real reason for the relentless push to vaccinate as many children as possible.”

“I have not seen autism with the Amish,” said Dr. Frank Noonan, a family practitioner in Lancaster County, Pa., who has treated thousands of Amish for a quarter-century. “You’ll find all the other stuff, but we don’t find the autism. We’re right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that’s just the way it is.”

More educated parents are less likely to vaccinate, which contradicts the misconceptions of many health professionals who profess that parents don’t vaccinate because they are under-educated, poor or misinformed.

More encouraging for anti-vaccine advocates is the finding that highly educated parents also reduced their uptake of other non-controversial childhood vaccines, a good sign that most of the hidden toxins in vaccines are slowly being discovered by parents and the public in general.

According to historical charts, graphs and two centuries of official statistics, we know that vaccines have never prevented any diseases and are in no way responsible for improving life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies. In North America, Europe, and the South Pacific, major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public vaccination efforts for specific diseases.

In a just-published shocking study virology researchers at the Erasmus Medical Center in the Netherlands have demonstrated that a regular flu vaccine in children actually worsens a key aspect of their flu-fighting immune system. This research was not conducted by vaccine-disliking scientists. Rather, it was conducted by pro-vaccine researchers who have spent their careers trying to develop better vaccines. Lead author Rogier Bodewes delivered the sobering message as he explained that flu vaccines “have potential drawbacks that have previously been under appreciated and that are also a matter of debate.”

It involved highly advanced scientific evaluation of the immune system. The researchers collected blood from 27 healthy, unvaccinated children with an average age of 6 years old, and 14 children with cystic fibrosis who received an annual flu shot. The unvaccinated children were found to have a superior immune response, giving them broader protection against what they might face in an actual flu season, including pandemic strains.

We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we’ve taken care of over the years, and I don’t think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines…….Every doctor now essentially in this country has done something as heinous as the Nazis did, unknowingly,” stated Dr. Mayer Eisenstein.

According to [2011 Aug] State of health of unvaccinated children: Illnesses in unvaccinated children, the results show that unvaccinated children are far less affected by common diseases.

Asthma, hayfever and neurodermatitis…..A recent German study with 17461 children between 0-17 years of age (KIGGS) showed that 4.7% of these children suffer from asthma, 10.7% of these children from hayfever and 13.2% from neurodermatitis. These numbers differ in western countries, i.e. the prevalence of asthma among children in the US is 6% whereas it is 14-16% in Australia (Australia’s Health 2004, AIHW). The prevalence of asthma among unvaccinated children in our study is 0.2%, hayfever 1.5% and neurodermatitis 2%.

According to the KIGGS study more than 40% of children between the ages of 3 and 17 years were sensitized against at least one allergen tested (20 common allergens were tested) and 22.9% had an allergic disease. Although we did not perform a bloodtest, less than 10% stated that their children had an allergy.

There are also autism cases in unvaccinated children. However over 80% stated, that it is only a mild form or a high functioning form of autism. Among all participants there were 4 severe autism cases. Of these 4 children one tested very high for metals (mercury, aluminum, arsenic), in another case the mother was tested very high for mercury.

KIGGS showed that 12.8% of the children in Germany had herpes and 11% suffer from otitis media (an inflammation of the middle ear). If you compare this to unvaccinated childen you can see that herpes among unvaccinated children is very rare (less than 0.5%).

In young kids under the age of 3 warts are very rare. After the 3 years of age, however, the prevalence is rising. In the ages between 4 and 6 years, 5-10% of the kids have warts, in the age group 16-18, 15-20% have warts. (Source: netdoktor.at). Only 3% of unvaccinated children in our survey have warts.

“I observed that my unvaccinated children were healthier, hardier and more robust than their vaccinated peers. Allergies, asthma and pallor and behavioral and attentional disturbances were clearly more common in my young patients who were vaccinated. My unvaccinated patients, on the other hand, did not suffer from infectious diseases with any greater frequency or severity than their vaccinated peers: their immune systems generally handled these challenges very well.”–Incao’s Hepatitis B Vaccination Testimony

Unvaccinated kids are five times less likely to have asthma than the vaccinated, 2.5 times less likely to have skin problems and 8 times less likely to be hyperactive.

Vaccinated children are up to 14 times more likely to have asthma than the unvaccinated and up to nine times more like to have skin problems.

The long-term question which vaccine advocates persist in asking is what will the general health of this unvaccinated population be like? Well, from what we can deduce from the data so far, there is a strong indication that unvaccinated children will likely make up the healthiest populations in the world someday. Thank you Mom, Dad and every researcher and journalist who is exposing vaccines for what they really are.

The Healthiest Children In The Future Will Be Unvaccinated – By Dave Mihalovic, Naturopathic Doctor | The Refusers
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The UK's Welsh Fake Measles Epidmenic

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...sles-epidemic/
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Jim Adams, Autism & Chelation on Dateline NBC pt 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...r4l12veI#t=186
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to be cont. (hopefully)