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Originally Posted by LadyShea
Would there be photons located on Earth, at the eyes and on camera film or digital sensors, before the photons traveling from the Sun arrived on Earth? You have said yes a dozen times, shall I dig up the quotes for you?
Lessans didn't even take the mechanics of camera film and photoreceptors into account. That there must be photons physically located on camera film for a photograph to be taken didn't even occur to him...he never mentioned cameras. You have had to try to reconcile this, and it cannot be reconciled.
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You don't know what you're talking about. I have said countless times that light has to be at the object for there to be a mirror image (so to speak) whether it's at the retina or at the film. It makes no difference because it's the same phenomenon. And don't be so cock sure of yourself (like you did with the modal fallacy) that this cannot be reconciled.
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Photons have to be at the object, so we would not be able to see each other for 8 minutes, but that does not mean we wouldn't be able to see the Sun when it was first ignited.
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
It does mean we wouldn't be able to photograph the Sun, though. Because photons must be in the same physical location as the camera film or digital sensor  |
No, that is not true. Why do you think I keep saying that efferent visiion is the polar opposite of afferent vision, which makes it unnecessary for light to travel to Earth for an object that is within optical range to be seen, even if said object is thousands of miles away.
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The very belief that photons have to travel to Earth in order to be at the retina or film is exactly what is being disputed
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
It's not a belief nor have you disputed it at all, you've simply claimed magic and left it at that. You have to show that it is physically possible for something that is traveling to be somewhere where it hasn't reached yet. You have photons in two places at once, which is fine, if you can demonstrate that to be possible with physics
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We're not talking about travel LadyShea. There is NO travel time. We are using the light that is at the retina to see the object. We see the object because of light's presence, but light alone is bringing nothing.
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
If I am traveling in my car between your house and mine, can I already be at your house?
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You keep using that analogy and it doesn't apply.