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Originally Posted by LadyShea
Would there be photons located on Earth, at the eyes and on camera film or digital sensors, before the photons traveling from the Sun arrived on Earth? You have said yes a dozen times, shall I dig up the quotes for you?
Lessans didn't even take the mechanics of camera film and photoreceptors into account. That there must be photons physically located on camera film for a photograph to be taken didn't even occur to him...he never mentioned cameras. You have had to try to reconcile this, and it cannot be reconciled.
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
Sure I do. Because I know how cameras and digital photosensors work.
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So what? The fact that it's the same light, the same object, and the same size and brightness makes what is seen on film the exact same thing as would be seen in real time.
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Photons have to be at the object, so we would not be able to see each other for 8 minutes, but that does not mean we wouldn't be able to see the Sun when it was first ignited.
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It does mean we wouldn't be able to photograph the Sun, though. Because photons must be in the same physical location as the camera film or digital sensor  |
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Of course it's true, because of how cameras and digital photosensors work.
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Right, and the same exact conditions that allow light to be at the film are the same conditions that allow light (or a mirror image, so to speak) to be at the retina.
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The very belief that photons have to travel to Earth in order to be at the retina or film is exactly what is being disputed
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Originally Posted by LadyShea
It's not a belief nor have you disputed it at all, you've simply claimed magic and left it at that. You have to show that it is physically possible for something that is traveling to be somewhere where it hasn't reached yet. You have photons in two places at once, which is fine, if you can demonstrate that to be possible with physics
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We're not talking about travel LadyShea.
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Sure we are because light travels, at all times. If it isn't traveling it isn't light, and it certainly cannot have a location, such as the retina or film or photoreceptor without having traveled there.
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You have a block, and there's nothing I can do about it.
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There is, 8 minutes, just like Lessans said.
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Yes, but you're missing why light --- where efferent vision is concerned --- does not have to travel to Earth first. Due to the brain looking through the eyes outward, it changes the function of light from bringing the image through space/time to a condition of sight only. If the object meets the requirements of size and brightness, the light is at the retina or film instantly; there is no delay. The fact that light travels has no bearing on this phenomenon.
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We are using the light that is at the retina to see the object. We see the object because of light's presence, but light alone is bringing nothing.
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How did it get to the retina without traveling there? How is light present at the retina if it has not yet reached Earth?
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I just explained it again, and I know it won't make sense to you. Maybe one day it will.
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If I am traveling in my car between your house and mine, can I already be at your house?
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You keep using that analogy and it doesn't apply.
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It absolutely applies when you have light being present at locations. You simply refuse to acknowledge the laws of physics |
I do recognize the laws of physics and there are no laws being broken.