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Originally Posted by LadyShea
Would there be photons located on Earth, at the eyes and on camera film or digital sensors, before the photons traveling from the Sun arrived on Earth? You have said yes a dozen times, shall I dig up the quotes for you?
Lessans didn't even take the mechanics of camera film and photoreceptors into account. That there must be photons physically located on camera film for a photograph to be taken didn't even occur to him...he never mentioned cameras. You have had to try to reconcile this, and it cannot be reconciled.
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Photons have to be at the object, so we would not be able to see each other for 8 minutes, but that does not mean we wouldn't be able to see the Sun when it was first ignited.
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It does mean we wouldn't be able to photograph the Sun, though. Because photons must be in the same physical location as the camera film or digital sensor 
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The very belief that photons have to travel to Earth in order to be at the retina or film is exactly what is being disputed
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It's not a belief nor have you disputed it at all, you've simply claimed magic and left it at that. You have to show that it is physically possible for something that is traveling to be somewhere where it hasn't reached yet. You have photons in two places at once, which is fine, if you can demonstrate that to be possible with physics
If I am traveling in my car between your house and mine, can I already be at your house? |
Yes, if peacegirl is living in your car. You didn't even consider that possiblity did you? Darn those confounding variables.