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Originally Posted by LadyShea

I did read them, I think their conclusions are wrong.

And you think that response is adequate? State whwere you think their conclusions are wrong?

Exposing the Vaccination for Immunity Fraud : Natural Society

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Your argument doesn't hold because vaccinated children still get sick. And the children who do get the illness end up with more permanent immunity. You mentioned that out of this Jewish outbreak of measles, kids got sick but no one died. How do you know the mother who had a miscarriage was directly the result of this outbreak? Mothers have miscarriages all the time.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Nobody died, true. But people were hospitalized, including the pregnant mother who miscarried. We know the miscarriage happened during her illness and hospitalization...so the timing implicates the measles was either a causal or contributing factor.

Okay, so if timing is important where miscarriage is concerned, timing is important where a child who gets sick right after a vaccine is concerned.

Isn't that how it works with vaccine injuries? If the illness follows the vaccine it's definitely the vaccine? Bailey Banks didn't have his seizure until 6 weeks post vax. Don't people develop medical issues and have seizures "all the time" too? How can we know if it was a direct result of the vaccine?

We don't know, but there is always a possibility therefore it cannot be ruled out, especially that the one common denominator between all of these children who are getting ill, is vaccines. I do not believe that you as a loving mother would just ignore this possibility and continue to vaccinate without being concerned.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Vaccinated children very rarely get ill with the diseases they have received vaccines for.

You have a blind spot.

Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 by: PF Louis

Suspicions have been confirmed for those wary of vaccinating their children. A recent large study corroborates other independent study surveys comparing unvaccinated children to vaccinated children.

They all show that vaccinated children have two to five times more childhood diseases, illnesses, and allergies than unvaccinated children.

Originally, the recent still ongoing study compared unvaccinated children against a German national health survey conducted by KiGGS involving over 17,000 children up to age 19. This currently ongoing survey study was initiated by classical homoeopathist Andreas Bachmair.

However, the American connection for Bachmair's study can be found at VaccineInjury.info website that has added a link for parents of vaccinated children to participate in the study. So far this ongoing survey has well over 11,000 respondents, mostly from the U.S.A. Other studies have surveyed smaller groups of families.

Nevertheless, the results were similar. Of course, none of these studies were picked up by the MSM (mainstream media). None were funded by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) or the World Health Organization (WHO) or any national or international health agency or medical profession group (Health Impact News).

They don't dare compare the health of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children objectively and risk disrupting their vaxmania (vaccination mania). The focus for all the studies was mostly on childhood illnesses occurring as the children matured.

Dramatic, debilitating, or lethal vaccine injuries were not the focus since so few, five percent or less, actually get reported to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Injury Reporting System) in the U.S.A. for various reasons including:

* It's a complicated system that takes time from a doctor's practice.
* Most parents don't know about it.
* Only adverse reactions that occur immediately after vaccinations are considered.
* Since VAERS is voluntary, most doctors don't want to incriminate themselves with vaccination injuries and maintain their denial of vaccine dangers.

Consequently, even the most terrible adverse reactions are minimally acknowledged, while long term negative health issues resulting from vaccines are not even considered relevant.

Different surveys summarized

The childhood diseases usually posed to respondents by the independent surveys involved asthma, reoccurring tonsillitis, chronic bronchitis, sinusitis, allergies, eczema, ear infections, diabetes, sleep disorders, bedwetting, dyslexia, migraines, hyperactivity, ADD, epilepsy, depression, and slower development of speech or motor skills.

In 1992, a New Zealand group called the Immunization Awareness Society (IAS) surveyed 245 families with a total of 495 children. The children were divided with 226 vaccinated and 269 unvaccinated. Eighty-one families had both vaccinated and unvaccinated children.

The differences were dramatic, with unvaccinated children showing far less incidence of common childhood ailments than vaccinated children (http://www.vaccineinjury.info/images...s1992study.pdf).

From a different survey in the South Island New Zealand city of Christchurch, among children born during or after 1977, none of the unvaccinated children had asthma events where nearly 25% of the vaccinated children were treated for asthma by age 10 (http://www.vaccineinjury.info/images...s1992study.pdf).

Many of the comments from non-vaccinating parents to VaccineInjury.info for the ongoing Bachmair survey mentioned vaccination danger and developing true immunity naturally were concerns (www.vaccineinjury.info - More transparency on vaccines and vaccine damages).

A PhD immunologist who wrote the book Vaccine Illusion, Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych, has gone against the dogma of her medical training and background. She asserts that true immunity to any disease is not conferred by vaccines. Exposure to the disease, whether contracted or not, does (International Medical Council on Vaccination).

Perhaps the most informal grass-roots survey going on now is by Tim O'Shea, DC, author of Vaccination is Not Immunization. He simply has non-vaccinating parents email him with comparisons of their children's health to friends and families they know with vaccinated children. That and more is available on his site (| The Doctor Within).

Sources for this article include:

Health Impact News

http://www.vaccineinjury.info/images...s1992study.pdf

Learn more: Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You keep talking about death. There is no proof that children who get measles in this day and age are dying even those who are not vaccinated.

There are over 100,00 dead children worldwide as proof. There is a miscarried fetus in New York as proof. In the Netherlands ongoing outbreak, with over 1200 cases, over 80 children have been hospitalized, some with meningitis, and their future prognosis is still unclear.[/quote]

What about the children who die from the vaccine? You're just as biased as the rest.

MMR vaccine kills another baby in Belgium
Thursday, June 14, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

The combination measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, which both the U.S. government and health authorities insist is completely safe for young children, has killed yet another child in the European nation of Belgium. Christina England over at VacTruth.com reports that Xandro Sanspuer, an 18-month-old boy from Renaix, Belgium, died recently after receiving the MMR vaccine from Kind & Gezin (K&G) Child and Family Health Center.

Young Xandro was still recovering from respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), a condition that causes respiratory tract infections, when a doctor at K&G advised Xandro's parents to have him vaccinated with MMR. Concerned about his son's health, Xandro's father Cedric explained to the doctor that Xandro was still gravely ill but recovering from the RSV infection, and requested that he first be thoroughly examined before the MMR vaccine even be considered.

The doctor reportedly complied with Cedric's request, but insisted upon examination that because Xandro's chest appeared to be clear, it was safe to administer the MMR vaccine. Not long after receiving the vaccine, however, young Xandro reportedly suffered cardiac arrest, which resulted in his rapid death. And based on the timing of events, Xandro's parents say the cause of death was most definitely the MMR vaccine.

Officials from K&G quickly denied that the MMR vaccine was responsible, but said they would conduct a thorough investigation. In the meantime, the group is callously urging parents not to "worry unnecessarily about vaccinations," according to reports. And Belgian authorities are also now reiterating their denial of a link between MMR and Xandro's death, insisting that the child died of "natural causes."

Naturally, Xandro's parents are not buying any of these politically correct excuses. They knew Xandro better than anyone else, and it was quite obvious to them that the MMR vaccine tipped the boy over the edge. The vaccine basically kicked little Xandro while he was down, so to speak, which makes any attempt to write off his death as unrelated to MMR just another blatant example of the incredible arrogance and irrationality that are hallmarks of mainstream medicine.

Vaccines killed another Belgian child late last year

A similar incident occurred late last year when Stacy Sirjacobs, a nine-week-old Belgian baby, died just one week after receiving a barrage of nine different vaccines on the same day. According to reports, young Stacy had a slight cold on the day she was vaccinated, but doctors insisted that she was well enough to receive the vaccines.

A week later, Stacy developed a staggering fever of nearly 104 degrees Fahrenheit, upon which her parents gave her Perdolan, a mild analgesic drug. Stacy's parents then called the hospital, and upon being admitted, Stacy was diagnosed with having an infection in her chest and blood that doctors insisted was "not serious," and not related to the vaccines. Stacy was then put on a drip feed and was given other medications.

Even though she had been vaccinated against gastroenteritis, young Stacy soon developed this illness as well as an irregular heartbeat, which doctors still insisted was not a big deal. Stacy continued to suffered terrible diarrhea throughout the night, and developed red spots on her body and extreme breathing difficulties. The hospital did nothing about any of this, and by 3:00 am, Stacy was pronounced dead (Baby Dies After 9 Vaccines in One Day).

Both of these cases illustrate plainly and obviously that vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are all being told. Parents must thus take extreme caution when allowing their children to be vaccinated, and do plenty of their own independent research before agreeing to go through with them.

Sources for this article include:

Parents Insist Vaccines Killed Their Sick and Fragile Toddler

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early...60327111407644


Learn more: MMR vaccine kills another baby in Belgium

You are an alarmist, yet you are casting aspersions on anti-vaxers just because their idea of what constitutes a safer way to go is not your idea.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

You are the alarmist by saying vaccines aren't safe.

I get alarmed thinking what lengths man will go in the name of scientific progress, even if untold numbers of people are hurt in the process.

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Millions of vaccinated children and adults haven't been injured nor died from getting vaccinated.

It doesn't have to be in the millions if it happens to be your child who is the one that gets hurt.