[Sauron]

Originally Posted by Iftikhar

What do you expect from a so called civilised nation? West must earn to respect and tolerate those who are different.

Except that you want to create private schools which neither respect nor tolerate those who are different.

The problem we are experiencing is a direct result of lack of respect and tolerance substituted by ignorance.

No, the problem is the direct result of Islamic extremists who think they are owed some kind of special favoritism. They are not.

Burqa is not locking women, it is a buffer line between protecting chastity and exposing. Being naked and drunk is acceptable but being covered and modest is inhuman.

It isn't modesty. It's paternal control. You confuse the two.

This is Britain. We are to a large extent 'free' people.

Except for Islamic extremists, who try to control members of their own communities living in Britain, while pretending to approve of Western-style respect for individuality and personal freedoms.

I am sick of government intervention in ever aspect of everyone's lives!

LOL so instead, you want shariah law, which would have the church and the government merge into one entity, and then have that one entity get into everyone's lives.

When I were a lad I went to Spain. Most of the nuns wore full face veils and they were HUGELY respected for their religious vows.

I bet the nuns weren't working underground with extremists trying to blow up people though, were they?
You left out that important detail.

Secularism is about respecting the right of people to follow any religion equally (or none),

Why are you preaching the values of secularism?
No true Muslim would advocate a secular society.

The question is not about to veil or not to veil but for every woman to have the right to choose.

This is question of basic human right including the right to freedom of religion and expression.

Which women don't have at all, under Islamic societies. So why don't fix your own societies inside the Islamic world first, before demanding that European societies peddle to your desires?

Go ahead: fix your own countries. Show the whole world how tolerant Islam is, and how respect for women *should* be practiced.
If you do a good job, then maybe the rest of the world will follow your example.

My guess, though, is that you actually *agree* with the oppression of women, non-Muslims, minority groups, etc. that is going on in Islamic countries; therefore in your eyes, there is nothing to 'fix' in the first place. That's just how a proper Islamic society should behave, as far as you are concerned.
You'd just like to bring that same level of male Muslim domination to your Islamic communities living in the UK, and you're frustrated because the UK laws are not allowing that to happen.
So you are pretending that your civil rights are being violated - the same civil rights is something you wouldn't extend to members of minority groups yourself.

No, you aren't fooling anyone.

We live in an overly vain culture that is having a detrimental effect upon the mental health of young women. We live in an overly promiscuous society in which abortion rates keep going up along with sexually transmitted diseases.

As opposed to an Islamic society, where women are forced to stay at home, barred from education, burned alive, married off in arranged marriages while they are still young children, etc.