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erimir · 05-28-2021, 07:58 PM

To quote from the Dred Scott decision "[black people have] no rights which the white man [is] bound to respect". I doubt that the people who agreed with this would've said that they therefore don't value any rights!

This type of thing is a crucial component of the importance that many people place on honesty, compassion and generosity, and other pro-social values. While they might generically say that they value those things, it's often the case that they really only consider them mandatory to apply with members of what they consider their in-group.

There may also be other qualifications - you might need to be a member of the in-group in good standing, hence it may not apply to apostates, heretics, people who violate certain group norms (against homosexuality or interfaith relationships, for example), etc.

Perhaps you think that honesty and compassion should be placed higher than group loyalty, religious devotion, or "honor", "purity" or the like. But if you place group loyalty higher in priority, it makes sense that Trump's lies, which they view as in service to their group interests, would be perfectly acceptable to them.

05-28-2021, 07:58 PM	#10
erimir Projecting my phallogos with long, hard diction Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Dee Cee Gender: Male Posts: XMMMCMXLVII	Re: Values vs Positions To quote from the Dred Scott decision "[black people have] no rights which the white man [is] bound to respect". I doubt that the people who agreed with this would've said that they therefore don't value any rights! This type of thing is a crucial component of the importance that many people place on honesty, compassion and generosity, and other pro-social values. While they might generically say that they value those things, it's often the case that they really only consider them mandatory to apply with members of what they consider their in-group. There may also be other qualifications - you might need to be a member of the in-group in good standing, hence it may not apply to apostates, heretics, people who violate certain group norms (against homosexuality or interfaith relationships, for example), etc. Perhaps you think that honesty and compassion should be placed higher than group loyalty, religious devotion, or "honor", "purity" or the like. But if you place group loyalty higher in priority, it makes sense that Trump's lies, which they view as in service to their group interests, would be perfectly acceptable to them.