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And I would like to add that an embarassment is not made null just because it is made public. If, before, it remained on the sidelines, then it is brought to the center of a political contest, then the embarassment is amplified.
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Bush had already brought sexual orientation to the center of this political contest with the Federal Marriage Amendment. You can't have it both ways. If Mary Cheney's sexual orientation is off-limits, then every other American's sexual orientation should be off-limits too. Bush chose to make sexual orientation an issue. |
A support for a prohibition on gay marriage doesn't bring any personal embarassment on any single individual, as disagreeable as it is. |
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by opposing civil rights of homosexuals, the conservatives are saying that homosexuality is immoral and/or unnatural and that gays and and lesbians are at best second class citizens. This is particularly true when both marriage and civil unions are opposed. Please note that the conservatives actually say that gay marriage and civil unions threaten the institution of marriage. |
OK, I agree with that. Now can we also agree that the act singling out the sexual orientation of one person to use as debate fodder is much more embarassing to that one person than the proposal to ban same sex marriages for all gays? It wasn't clear before, but that was my point. |
Sorry... I won't agree with that, because I see the Cheney's publicizing that fact in a press conference as using it a political fodder in the election (to assure homosexual voters that Republicans really are sensitive to homosexual issues, despite their cozying up the the religious fundamentalists on the "abomination in the eyes of the Lord" issue; "See...even the Vice President has a lesbian daughter.") as having made it clear that she was not embarassed by it...nor was Lynn Cheney.
It is not Kerry who has made the Cheney daughter's sexual preference a campaign issue, it was the Cheneys. Having done so, it's highly hypocritical of them to castigate Kerry when he uses the same information they made public - in the campaign.
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