[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by lisarea

I'm pissed off at her. Guilt trip? I dunno, but it's not an unfair assessment.

How is it retaliation to point out to what I think is wrong about her position?

I don't really expect her to listen to my political viewpoints and consider them reasonably. She ignored several attempts to discuss the issues with her rationally before. Please go back and look. Most people tried to be patient and understanding, and to discuss the issues she brought up. I know I tried to, personally, and I put a great deal of time and effort into explaining the issues, providing other viewpoints, etc.

Her response was much dropping of pins and chirping of crickets.

I'm not trying to reason with her. Her response made me very mad.

I'm a little uncomfortable discussing her position here without her input, but I will stand by what I've said.

As well you should. It's your opinion, but it's still retaliation, or an attempt thereof for not doing as you'd wished she'd done.

Listen... I'm not above throwing around emotionally charged terms. Everybody who knows me from other boards knows that. I've been almost as harsh with others about the very same topic. I've thought about that ever since. When I saw Bree's statement, I gave a wry acknowledgement of the irony. I don't have that high a respect for the general voting public. (I guess that's because I'm a "liberal elitist", huh?) That's the result of usually being on the losing end of most important electoral issues. Between the intelligence of the average voter and the skill of the political machine in manipulating those voters, the Repugnantcans have pulled the fat from the fire. It anybody's guess how much manipulation of the vote counting mechanisms and voter rolls was done by either side before or during this election, but I have yet to hear of anything as egregious as the Florida/Supreme Court debacle of 2000.

It is my considered opinion that your response to her snide remark did nothing to change her mind. If anything, your response probably rigidified her position. I'm just guessing, but if you'd drubbed me like that for expressing my opinion, I certainly wouldn't give your position more credence.

But that's just my opinion.

Just out of interest, does anyone have a handy list of those states which had "gay marriage" ballot measures?

How do those states match with the "battleground states" of the campaign?

Is there a congruence there?

It's also my opinion that grassroots is good. How many people here have been to their city council meeting? Or the local government, be it city, county, village, canton, parish, riding, district, borough or hiding?

Do you know how it works? Do you know how bloody boring it is? (Just a warning. I've sat through interminable meetings; believe me, it's a skill.)

That's the governing process. Then there's the electoral process to become a designated representative with an official vote.

Has anybody here even been a precinct committeeperson for their political party? It's a great place to start, and even the younger parties would be thrilled to have precinct contacts they could utilize for organizational stuff. Or as a campaign volunteer for a candidate you sorta know... Remember, though....this is all volunteer. And a precinct is more households than you think....and this is extrovert stuff.

So, with all that, lisa, your opinion is your opinion. Mine is mine. I'm just as guilty for tromping on you as you are on Bree as she is on us all. We're all entitled to it all...so far.

Can we stop bickering and do something constructive? Even if Bree thinks it's pointless?

godfry