[Blake]

Originally Posted by viscousmemories

Well I can't speak for justaman, but since I've had similar thoughts over the years I'm guessing he might argue that it's illogical to weight pain to others over pain to yourself. So the only logical reason to avoid hurting others while enduring pain yourself is to elude other consequences such as possible retaliation or personal guilt - neither of which would be a factor after death.

In that case, I would say this species of logic has drifted away from the objective standards that purportedly recommended it into completely subjective territory.