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Old 07-13-2005, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: Anti-semitism and criticism of Israel

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Originally Posted by Morroskye
The word Zionism may cause some to cringe but it is racial/religious supremacy that has cast millions from their homes and land over the last 50 years. I use the word to describe the Jewish supremacist movement and the settlers, Kahanites. I'm a socialist so labeling me a neo-Nazi won't stick. I'm on the opposite end of the political scale. I don't need a degree in religious history or political science to recognize Nazism is wrong. Same goes for zionism: A worldwide Jewish movement dedicated to expanding the Jewish state into all areas Judaism declares is holy, pure and exclusively given to them by God/Abraham. How does this philosophy differ from Jihadist movements in the Muslim world?? I understand there are many that disagree with me here but zionism is the foundation of Israeli apartheid. Built on the seething hatred of all that aren't Jewish, specifically Arabs. I support the creation of a Palestinian state that is of course secular and open to all non-zionist Jews. I have noted in many other places any criticism of Israel gets you slapped with the label "Nazi." There is much Israel could do to brighten it's image in the world. I have not seen any evidence she has ever tried since her creation; On Palestinian soil.
Actually, there is the argument from true Zionists who are against expansion, and many Orthodox Jews are very much against this current idea of Zionism. Zionism doesn't mean, or didn't anyway, expansion into all of Judea, and not at the expense of others. As with all things, there are Jews who are in support of a Palestinain state, there are degrees in between, and there are the fundie right wing relgious Jews (and some Christians, who have their own agendas) who want all of it, at any expense.

One crucial, core thorn in all this is the opinon of Israel being created in the first place. . . the idea that land was stolen . . etc.

While I agree Israel certainly could do a hell of a lot right now to improve things, I disagree that Israel has never tried, or has always been as you seem to be saying, in the wrong. Some believe that Israel is in the wrong, by definition. If that is the opinion you share, then guess there's nothing more to say.

Some believe everything can be solved, I hope so. As I've said in the other thread, I don't think so, but one can hope. There may be Israel's withdrawals, and a secular Palestinian state, etc. We can only wait and see.
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