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Originally Posted by warrenly
The result has been a real dramatic decline in the opinion others have of America. I just hope they realize it's not you and I, but our fucked up government and a few corporate special interests that have gotten us into this.
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I dont know, when talking to other people, it seems that america is viewed as a bully and/or monster and truthfully arent we as citizens in a democracy to responsible.
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So, how does this make the war on the Iraqi people part of the War on Terra(tm)?
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it really is sad that many americans dont see the lack of connection. Obviously the war in Iraq made us less safe in america.
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But, we won't invade them because they actually have WMD.
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fucked up isnt it.
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Could be... if they wanted us there, which I am coming to doubt. Iraq had shown a remarkable ability to rebuild itself after Desert Storm despite embargoes. The Iraqi people have been grossly misunderestimated by Bush&Co.
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Safe for democracy and all that.
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Democracy can only come from the Iraqi people, not from the Bush administration, or even the Kerry administration. I'm not even sure you can impose a democracy at all. It is entirely possible that a majority of Iraqis may elect an Islamic government. If they don't get what they elect, how is that democracy?
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I dont know. We certainly forced japan into a democracy. We forced them to allow women to vote for instance.
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Some people definitely are better off without Saddam. But, the vast majority of Iraqis just didn't make waves and got along just fine with Saddam in power. Iraq had one of the highest standard of living in the Middle East, the most educated populace, and a medical system that was so good that other Middle Easterners went there for care. I'm in the minority of people that are sure Saddam wasn't 100% evil, only 99-44/100ths evil. Isn't there a poll that shows 42% of Iraqis want Saddam back?
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hate to fuck with godwin's law so quickly. but I am sure hitler and napoleon were both popular shortly after they were removed from power.
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We already fucked them, big time. And they didn't even get a cigarette afterwards... but they did get to smoke.
I don't know why this administration is so married to the idea of a unified Iraq. I think it would be better off split into a Shiite Southern Iraq, and Sunni Central Iraq and a Kurdish Northern Iraq. But, where does that leave the miscellaneous other people like the Turkmen and the Christians?
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I hadnt really thought about breaking up Iraq.
Interesting thought. Wouldnt turkey oppose that for some reason? I seem to recall that that was one of their concerns going into the war.