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Old 04-10-2011, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: A revolution in thought

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His observations are inductive because he is using his observations of many and making a universal claim. It's the same thing as observing leaves always falling to the ground and making a universal claim that all leaves fall to the ground.
Indeed, but once a contradictory observation has been made, the hypothesis becomes untenable. For instance, it was universally regarded as true that all swans are white. The hypothesis was destroyed when black swans were scientifically described by English naturalist John Latham in 1790.

I had provided an observation which destroyed your dad's hypothesis that "In order to hurt another, man must be able to derive some satisfaction from this, which means that he was previously hurt and is justified to retaliate, or else he knows, absolutely and positively, that he would be blamed by the person he hurt and others if they knew." here, but your 'cliffhanger' comment indicates that the penny hasn't dropped yet.
Where did this observation you provided destroy the knowledge my father presented?
Your dad asserted that:
In order to hurt another, man must be able to derive some satisfaction from this, which means that he was previously hurt and is justified to retaliate, or else he knows, absolutely and positively, that he would be blamed by the person he hurt and others if they knew.
With this observation I have demonstrated that his claim is false by observing how "evil" can be done even if none of the necessary conditions stipulated by your dad for its possibility of it happening are present. It is clear that I killed an innocent person I never met before (no revenge factor there), that I was acting toward attaining the greatest possible satisfaction, and that I had no feeling of being blameworthy for the killing. On a broader level I did not even feel hurt for belonging to the disadvantaged and underprivileged strata of society because that would imply that others were out to hurt me. They can't be, because that in turn would imply free will, and I know there is no such thing. So, no fear of being blamed, no blaming others, no revenge, no hurt was involved in the killing of a stranger. Just a desire to maximise my satisfaction.
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