[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by wildernesse

No, you have not. You cannot continue to show something that you have not even begun to show. You have failed to provide a single reason in nearly 70 pages that anyone should believe a word that you say or take you seriously. You simply say that facts are not true, but take offense when I say that the non-facts you provide are not true.

I don't need any justification to call your assertions false and lies (since you have to know they are false by now), just like I don't need justification to say that the sky is blue or that I am currently sitting down. I am observing reality in each scenario, which according to your own standard is undeniable proof. How can you be upset with me, when I am doing the same thing that you are promoting?

A lie is purposeful deceit. It does not apply here at all. In this case you are retaliating against Lessans' purported claims of truth because you think they're mere assertions, nothing more. Your justification is that I am ruining the name of science so you feel entitled to strike back at me. No, I did not say observing a scenario is undeniable proof. Undeniable proof of what? His observations were over many years of voracious reading. From his reading (which included reading the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire 7 times) he came to certain conclusions about the nature of conscience. From his careful observations, he accurately described how conscience works and how it could be made stronger or weaker.

You blame me for 70 pages of nonsense, when I asked people to cooperate so we could move forward. You are not doing the same thing as me because your proof is one scenario; Lessans carefully observed thousands of instances. As far as the senses, I am offering a different model based on Lessans' observations. I don't see that his claims are false by now. That's probably what's aggravating you. I haven't caved and given in from the pressure. If you think I'm beyond reason, so be it. It's not up to you to rehabilitate me.