The Biden Factor

[GodPossessed]

Is this guy gonna help or hurt the Dems?

YouTube - Biden Rewrites History!!

[1Samuel8]

A bidet is a good thing! It is refreshing and saves on paper.




ETA:
I think there is a spelling error in the title of this thread.

[godfry n. glad]

Okay...I haven't viewed your UTube skit, but I can't at work, but I've had concerns since he was selected. Despite how I respect for his background in constitutional law and, to some extent, international affairs, he is still the senator from Delaware.

To me, this means is the senator from the state of Sleazy Credit Lenders, and so I suspect that they have considerable impact upon his thought processes and retirement program. Of course, he's much more use to them as a senator than a vice president. I'd say it would depend upon how much credence his counsel is given within the Obama structure.

[mickthinks]

Hmmm ... I'm not convinced our Rob is entirely sober there.

I guess Biden meant the Great Depression rather than the Wall Street Crash - I think they are twinned in many people's minds. But it was a gaffe and I expect he's admitted as such. I don't see why this should damage the Dems.

[erimir]

Biden may have not meant that FDR got on TV immediately after the stock market crash. And maybe he meant that he got on the radio?

I don't know. We're not given enough context to know what he was talking about. FDR surely gave speeches about the subject.

Certainly not a worse gaffe than McCain's (multiple) confusions of Shi'ites and Sunnis and their respective factions.

Does YouTubeDude expect that a couple of medals and a small flag encased in glass behind him is going to convince me of something? I think Napoleon did some really stupid shit, and I can guarantee you he had more medals...

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by erimir

Biden may have not meant that FDR got on TV immediately after the stock market crash. And maybe he meant that he got on the radio?

I don't know. We're not given enough context to know what he was talking about. FDR surely gave speeches about the subject.

No...FDR did not broadcast immediately after the stock market crash. He began making his presidential "Fireside Chats" on March 12, 1933, a little a week after taking office as president. The stock market crash was October 28-29, 1929. Hoover had most of his administration to flop around trying to address the situation. Three years and not much improvement brought FDR to power, some Hoover administration efforts were not useful at all (his attempts at 'volunteerism' from the elites), some efforts would bear scant fruit later, when adopted and adapted by FDR (public works), and some glaring failures (like the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act).

Oh, yeah...When, in 1932, the Great War veterans wanted their bonus monies early, he set MacArthur and the US Army upon their camp in Anacostia Flats (in DC, just outside Washington), where Lord Mac took matters into his own hands and rolled the tanks through the makeshift camps of unarmed former veterans, along with mounted cavalry, fixed bayonets and adamsite gas. Civilians died.

[Dingfod]

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Philo T. Farnsworth and his image dissector Circa 1928.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by godfry n. glad

No...FDR did not broadcast immediately after the stock market crash.

Well, I didn't say that he did. But like I said, we don't know if the primary point Biden was trying to make was something that FDR actually said (and he just got the timing mixed up, etc.) or whether he was completely off-base. That's all I meant.

I know about Hoover and all that.

[Garnet]

My impression of Joe Biden, that he is a pompous windbag, comes from watching him during the Roberts confirmation hearings. I don't recall shouting, "Get to the fucking point!" and "What the FUCK are you talking about!" so many times in such a short timeframe before or since.

[Angakuk]

The problem with Biden is the problem that most career politicians suffer from. Experience. Namely, experience doing the wrong thing. If one does the wrong thing often enough one becomes proficient at doing the wrong thing.

[beyelzu]

You know ang that is pretty much exactly how I feel about mccain.

[Garnet]

I can't think of a career politician that I don't feel that way about.

[Adam]

With the possible exception of Dennis Kucinich, me neither.

[beyelzu]

Dude, his wife doesn't actually blow all of his supporters.

Just fyi.

[Adam]

Fuck! I guess I'll have to find some other way.

* Adam shops around for a garden gnome costume.

[godfry n. glad]

Okay...I saw the clip.

It's an obvious slip by Biden. I'd say "Freudian", but there's no sexual context whatsoever. TV is how all politicians communicate with as many Americans as possible. Now, for everybody, including Biden. He didn't even impose an historical context onto his comment.

Then, FDR did go on the media of the time, radio, immediately after his election as president to calm the fears of Americans about their battered banking sector, in an attempt to buttress confidence in the economy. Bank runs were still a frequent event in 1933. The banking crisis is one of the first issues FDR dealt with as president.

That we ever had to come to this point again is pathetic commentary on the American people.

[lisarea]

That is really stretching it. Some drunk guy dissecting an obvious but fairly benign gaffe from Joe Biden, who is pretty much famous for talking too much and frequently saying wacky stuff in the process. I'm surprised that's the worst thing they could come up with.

I don't know about Biden, but the guy in the video there helps the Democrats by making Republicans look desperate and deceptive.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by lisarea

I don't know about Biden, but the guy in the video there helps the Democrats by making Republicans look desperate and deceptive.

You obviously didn't get the memo about how these things work. Event X, for all values of X, helps the Republican campaign and hurts the Democratic campaign. Democratic gaffe? Hurts the Democrats by showing how uninformed they are. Republican gaffe? Helps the Republicans by showing that they're big picture thinkers who can't be bothered with such trifling details.

[godfry n. glad]

Originally Posted by Adam

You obviously didn't get the memo about how these things work. Event X, for all values of X, helps the Republican campaign and hurts the Democratic campaign. Democratic gaffe? Hurts the Democrats by showing how uninformed they are. Republican gaffe? Helps the Republicans by showing that they're big picture thinkers who can't be bothered with such trifling details.

Or...they have that "common touch" and are "homespun". Y'know, makes stupid mistakes like the rest of us.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

You know ang that is pretty much exactly how I feel about mccain.

Yup.

Originally Posted by Garnet

I can't think of a career politician that I don't feel that way about.

Yup, again.

[Dragar]

My prediction: maybe a little. It'll still be a landslide for Obama.