More "Holidays"

[alphamale]

An organization has sprung up to fight the purging of Christmas from recognition by stores whose fortunes for a fiscal year depend on purchases during the Christmas season by people celebrating Christmas, but who have been intimidated from even mentioning the dread word itself.

http://www.savemerrychristmas.org/

Unfortunately, the famous Macy's Christmas Parade which goes back decades has been renamed the Holiday Parade, but they have made concessions.

But another small victory is Walmart, which caved into christian pressure and is using the word "Christmas", even though they also use the pee see "Holidays" too. Another thing is I saw a Walmart ad celebrating the Christmas season tradition of bell-ringers for the Salvation Army outside Walmarts. Target, one of the worst pee see retailers, has banned them from outside its stores.

[Ari]

So since you started another thread, maybe you can explain to me why Happy Holidays is more bigoted than Merry Christmas, like you claimed in the last holiday thread you ran away from?

Walmart, caved to christian pressure? Hahaha, you really are living in a different world. You do know that Walmart is rather christian and right wing oriented don't you?

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Ari

So since you started another thread, maybe you can explain to me why Happy Holidays is more bigoted than Merry Christmas, like you claimed in the last holiday thread you ran away from?

Walmart, caved to christian pressure? Hahaha, you really are living in a different world. You do know that Walmart is rather christian and right wing oriented don't you?

You want to know why I "run away" from your posts? It's because you're boring. You're the Monarch of the Micro-Point, the Nabob of the Nitpick. OK, I'll answer you're REAL BIG POINT: "Happy Holidays" is a pee see invention that deletes the word "Christmas" from commercial references during a season when 99% of what's happening is people who celebrate Christmas are buying Christmas presents. It is part and parcel of the general effort to expunge Christianity from the public square, and is one item on a long list of efforts by the anti-Christian elite, including confiscating children's religious drawings in government schools, forbidding people to say "Merry Christmas" in a government building, forbidding students to say prayers in school assemblies or at sporting events, forbidding christian students who pay college activity fees to form student groups on the same basis as other groups - on and on.

A whole group of long-standing references to Christmas in commerce, e.g. Christmas trees, Christmas presents, Christmas parties, Christmas cards, Christmas sales, Christmas songs, Christmas dinner, etc, was expunged from the language seemingly overnight, with the incredible excuse that it was to prevent tiny minorities who might be in the store from being "offended". I never heard any such minority claim to be offended, I mean average people, not an ideological spokesman with an agenda. As for Walmart, you're wrong - as I said (and you apparently didn't read) Walmart had all the pee see garbage before complaints, and still has some.

The liberal elite has come to hate Christians because they see the religion as a competitor for peoples' loyalties - they are aware of the growing political power of christian groups. Like the roman emperors, Marx, and every power hungry dictator, they (properly) see them as the enemy, and want to reduce them to much the same status as was true in the soviet union and china now - something you would never hear about or think about unless you went to a religious service.

Now, blink twice if you understood anything I said.

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by alphamale

It is part and parcel of the general effort to expunge Christianity from the public square, and is one item on a long list of efforts by the anti-Christian elite, including confiscating children's religious drawings in government schools, forbidding people to say "Merry Christmas" in a government building, forbidding students to say prayers in school assemblies or at sporting events, forbidding christian students who pay college activity fees to form student groups on the same basis as other groups - on and on.

Anti-Christian Christians? What an absolute crock of tinfoil hatted bullshit.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

Anti-Christian Christians? What an absolute crock of tinfoil hatted bullshit.

Anti-Christian Christians? I...don't...remember...talking...about...Anti-Christian Christians. You're fading, dude.

[ChuckF]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Another thing is I saw a Walmart ad celebrating the Christmas season tradition of bell-ringers for the Salvation Army outside Walmarts. Target, one of the worst pee see retailers, has banned them from outside its stores.

Yet another reason not to shop at Wal Mart (who needed another?) I will never give a dime to the bigots at the Salvation Army. While they do some good works, their organization and its policies are repugnant.

[D. Scarlatti]

Who objected to the prayer at the football game, Muslims?

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by ChuckF

Yet another reason not to shop at Wal Mart (who needed another?) I will never give a dime to the bigots at the Salvation Army. While they do some good works, their organization and its policies are repugnant.

Uh, shit is now coming out of your ears and nose as well as your mouth!

[ChuckF]

Oo, where'd you paste that from?

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

Who objected to the prayer at the football game, Muslims?

No! Are you listening? It's always the pee see school administration/board.

[wei yau]

This is the thing I never get. I keep hearing how the majority of Americans are Christians. How mainstream America is not anti-Christian. How Christians are persecuted.

But, there aren't that many non-Christians in this country. Certainly, even fewer of them are anti-Christian.

So, where is all this persecution coming from? I mean, if you're gonna tell me that this slim minority holds that much power over this super majority. Then, I'm gonna have to say that maybe the majority deserves being persecuted.

Buncha weaklings, really.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by wei yau

This is the thing I never get. I keep hearing how the majority of Americans are Christians. How mainstream America is not anti-Christian. How Christians are persecuted.

But, there aren't that many non-Christians in this country. Certainly, even fewer of them are anti-Christian.

So, where is all this persecution coming from? I mean, if you're gonna tell me that this slim minority holds that much power over this super majority. Then, I'm gonna have to say that maybe the majority deserves being persecuted.

Buncha weaklings, really.

More reading comprehension problems. I already said the anti-Christian jihad is prosecuted by the liberal elite, with the protection of the supposed sensibilities of religious minorities as just a half-assed excuse. That liberal elites don't really have a tender concern for religious minorities can be seen for example in the Waco Holocaust.

[ChuckF]

The evidence for this liberal élite can be found in the White House and both houses of Congress, which are liberal strongholds. Did ya get a load of that idiot liberal who won the 2004 presidential election?! What a crazy radical that guy is. And boy does he hate the Christians!

[wei yau]

Originally Posted by alphamale

More reading comprehension problems. I already said the anti-Christian jihad is prosecuted by the liberal elite, with the protection of the supposed sensibilities of religious minorities as just a half-assed excuse. That liberal elites don't really have a tender concern for religious minorities can be seen for example in the Waco Holocaust.

These liberal elites are a pretty powerful organization. I mean, for all your attempts to paint them as weaklings, appeasers, confused, disorganized and just plain stupid...it seems that they've got your "side" on the ropes.

Doesn't say much for your "side", does it?

[But]

Originally Posted by alphamale

That liberal elites don't really have a tender concern for religious minorities can be seen for example in the Waco Holocaust.

[Ari]

Wow, finally a reply, not an answer but a reply, lets see if you can actually handle debate or if you will call everyone pussies while you run away.

Originally Posted by alphamale

"Happy Holidays" is a pee see invention that deletes the word "Christmas" from commercial references during a season when 99% of what's happening is people who celebrate Christmas are buying Christmas presents.

Well in 2000 more than 1% of the population was Jewish and we can assume they didn't celebrate christmas so I wouldn't say 99% of people celebrate christmas.

Originally Posted by alphamale

forbidding students to say prayers in school assemblies or at sporting events,

No! Are you listening? It's always the pee see school administration/board.

Ahahahaha.
I wont give you the answer but I will tell you, it wasn't anti christians and it wasn't the school board that challenged prayer at assemblies and sporting events.

Originally Posted by alphamale

A whole group of long-standing references to Christmas in commerce, e.g. ...

So far you haven't provided evidence Happy Holidays is more bigoted (do I need to give the definition of biggoted?) than Merry Christmas. So far all you have shown is Merry Christmas is traditional. Removing tradition doesn't mean something is bigotted, unless you want to argue that removing things such as segregation was bigoted as well.
So, can you show how it is bigoted or do you not have anything to support it? (which would explain why you pretend you can win debates and then run away).

[alphamale]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Ari

Wow, finally a reply, not an answer but a reply, lets see if you can actually handle debate or if you will call everyone pussies while you run away.

Well in 2000 more than 1% of the population was Jewish and we can assume they didn't celebrate christmas so I wouldn't say 99% of people celebrate christmas.

Pussiedom doesn't consist of permanently indulging an idiot like you. And the jews ran out and bought their proportional share (several hundred dollars/person) for Hannukah gifts?? Surrrrrrrrrrrre they did. And the moslems? Pulling stuff off the shelves as fast as they could! Hindus? First in line at the 6 a.m. door-buster sale!

Ahahahaha.
I wont give you the answer but I will tell you, it wasn't anti christians and it wasn't the school board that challenged prayer at assemblies and sporting events.

A pussy-lanimous non-reply!

So far you haven't provided evidence Happy Holidays is more bigoted (do I need to give the definition of biggoted?) than Merry Christmas. So far all you have shown is Merry Christmas is traditional. Removing tradition doesn't mean something is bigotted, unless you want to argue that removing things such as segregation was bigoted as well.

I've told you, but you can't read. Here it is for the last time. Ready? Sure you're ready? The substitution of the meaningless "Happy Holidays" for Christmas is part of a culture wide effort by the liberal elite to remove "Christianity" and all its signs and references from the public square, because they hate christians, and are bigotted against them. Any 12 year olds in your house? If you still don't get it, ask them to explain. I'm not going to make a career out of lecturing a dunce.

[wei yau]

Originally Posted by alphamale

I've told you, but you can't read. Here it is for the last time. Ready? Sure you're ready? The substitution of the meaningless "Happy Holidays" for Christmas is part of a culture wide effort by the liberal elite to remove "Christianity" and all its signs and references from the public square, because they hate christians, and are bigotted against them.

One just has to look around and see that Christianity is clearly not under any threat in the public square. Sunday morning airwaves are filled with Christian programming. Public figures are free to, if not outright encouraged, to declare their Christian beliefs. Christian churches, bookstores and the like are prevalent throughout many parts of the country.

There is an effort to label the entire commercial season between Thanksgiving and the end of the year as "Happy Holidays". I don't see it as hatred of Christianity, as much as broadening your message to appeal to the widest audience possible.

There is something to be said for whether or not this has some element of "cover your ass" or pandering to vocal minorities. But, that cuts both ways. As recent events have shown, the FCC is likely guilty of pandering to some a few vocal Christian organizations in their recent "fight" against obscenity. I'd say that the difference between that and being "PC" is not very great.

[Ari]

And there is the run away post. So much for debate. You sure do your position proud by running away screaming pussy as you run.

Can you provide evidence that liberals hate christians (you do realize many liberals are christians right?) or that changing christmas to happy holidays is more bigoted* than keeping christmas? Maybe you can tell us exactly who got prayer at football games removed?

Nope? thought not.

*Bigoted: "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ." (from dictionary.com)

I think, if you were serious about having an adult conversation, you would have a hard time proving that Happy holidays an all encompasing term is more partial to a single persons group, religion, race or politics than the term christmas.

[D. Scarlatti]

Originally Posted by alphamale

No! Are you listening? It's always the pee see school administration/board.

The school administration/board was sued, idiot. By Christians.

[Clutch Munny]

Facts are for liberal pussies. The problem was "pee see"; that's an axiom. Axioms always beat facts.

[stranger]

Originally Posted by alphamale

You want to know why I "run away" from your posts? It's because you're boring. You're the Monarch of the Micro-Point, the Nabob of the Nitpick. OK, I'll answer you're REAL BIG POINT: "Happy Holidays" is a pee see invention that deletes the word "Christmas" from commercial references during a season when 99% of what's happening is people who celebrate Christmas are buying Christmas presents. It is part and parcel of the general effort to expunge Christianity from the public square, and is one item on a long list of efforts by the anti-Christian elite, including confiscating children's religious drawings in government schools, forbidding people to say "Merry Christmas" in a government building, forbidding students to say prayers in school assemblies or at sporting events, forbidding christian students who pay college activity fees to form student groups on the same basis as other groups - on and on.

A whole group of long-standing references to Christmas in commerce, e.g. Christmas trees, Christmas presents, Christmas parties, Christmas cards, Christmas sales, Christmas songs, Christmas dinner, etc, was expunged from the language seemingly overnight, with the incredible excuse that it was to prevent tiny minorities who might be in the store from being "offended". I never heard any such minority claim to be offended, I mean average people, not an ideological spokesman with an agenda. As for Walmart, you're wrong - as I said (and you apparently didn't read) Walmart had all the pee see garbage before complaints, and still has some.

The liberal elite has come to hate Christians because they see the religion as a competitor for peoples' loyalties - they are aware of the growing political power of christian groups. Like the roman emperors, Marx, and every power hungry dictator, they (properly) see them as the enemy, and want to reduce them to much the same status as was true in the soviet union and china now - something you would never hear about or think about unless you went to a religious service.

Now, blink twice if you understood anything I said.

LOLOL do you not know that modern christianity was invented by a power-hungry Roman Emperor ... [as a means to control people ... an awful mockery of the root message of Jesus as Messiah of Israel.]

[A Roman Emperor who promptly changed all the holy festivals to the days of pagan gods and started killing off the original Hebrew christians who would not keep his law and worship on Sunday]

But Xmas wasn't inverted by a roman emperor ,else the irony of whta you said would be complete , it is still completely pagan though , Jesus didn't believe in birthdays , that's another apagan Babylonian idea , like giving gifts to buy people's affection ...

[Ari]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

The school administration/board was sued, idiot. By Christians.

And from the little we know about those that sued there is a good chance they weren't liberals either. (especially when we use Alpha's definition of the word).
Facts suck. I bet facts are just liberal elite pussies that hate christians. Damn you facts.

[D. Scarlatti]

As pointed out elsewhere, alphamale lied about worldnutdaily's reporting of Wild Bill Donohue's letter to Walmart and lied about the retailer posting a "Christmas webpage" in response. Needless to say he ignored that and in fact continues to lie in this latest thread, about those and other things. It's amusing to find the Defender of Christianity lying his ass off.

[Adam]

"Happy Holidays" is a pee see invention that deletes the word "Christmas" from commercial references during a season when 99% of what's happening is people who celebrate Christmas are buying Christmas presents.

I'm not certain of the exact origin of the phrase "Happy Holidays", but it's at least as old as 1942, when a song of that name was first sung by that bastion of "pee see" liberalism, Bing Crosby, featured in that liberal elitist Christmas bashing flick, Holiday Inn.

As far as modern commercial references, retailers couldn't possible try to court as wide a customer base as possible and finds "Happy Holidays" easier to fit on a placard than "Merry Christmas, Happy Haunnakah, Happy Kwaanza, Joyful Solstice...oh, shit, did we cover everyone? Too bad there's no simple phrase that would cover all those hoidays and any others we forgot. Anyway, shop smart...shop S-Mart.", could they? Couldn't have anything to do with that whole "competition in the free market" thing I keep hearing so much about? No? No? Nah, every retailer in the country is just responding to insidious "pee see" pressure.

Of course, apparently, less than 1% of the population is non-Christian in your world, so what do I know?

It is part and parcel of the general effort to expunge Christianity from the public square, and is one item on a long list of efforts by the anti-Christian elite

Confusingly, the anti-Christian elite in this country seems to be composed primarily of Christians...

...including confiscating children's religious drawings in government schools...

Cite,please.

...forbidding people to say "Merry Christmas" in a government building...

Cite, please.

...forbidding students to say prayers in school assemblies or at sporting events...

Cite,please.

...forbidding christian students who pay college activity fees to form student groups on the same basis as other groups...

Cite, please.

- on and on.

Yah, the baseless allegations just keep rolling.