Passive aggression

[beyelzu]

Originally Posted by Shelli

dont be that way baby, you are still going to read mine arent you?

[mickthinks]

Sorry viscousmemories!

The delivery is seemingly innocuous or even charitable.
But in your explanation you make a clear separation between the underlying hostility and the surface delivery. I don't see how the delivery, considered separately from the argument, can be said to conceal its own hostility. In other words, the delivery is what it appears to be.

In other words it is not innocuous or charitable. "Thanks viscousmemories" is not innocuous and not charitable?

I think all you mean when you complain of passive aggression is that I'm not arguing like a web-rat.

Are you really this stupid, or is your life just so empty that you need to troll me for a week because I crushed your delicate little ego by saying "don't be silly"? Get a life.
You've resorted to arguing like a web-rat.

Mick

[Sock Puppet]

You have to understand, mickey -- insults aren't all we have; they're merely all you're worth.

[Shelli]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

dont be that way baby, you are still going to read mine arent you?

Absolutely, and it was worth the read too.

[fragment]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

but groupthink has some pretty insidious connotations that i dont think are appropriate and i see and have seen no evidence that group dynamics plays a major role in the construction of my fellow members world views or their specific opinions about bush.

FWIW it's most likely that people here had their opinions on Bush well formed by the time they joined this place, and the existence of a social group with similar opinions on this and a few other issues tends to select in favour of retaining new members who share similar opinions. That in itself may be a social dynamic worthy of criticism, but groupthink it ain't.

[beyelzu]

excellent point about retaining new members, fragment and something to think about.

[ZEZOZE]

Originally Posted by fragment

That in itself may be a social dynamic worthy of criticism, but groupthink it ain't.

oh really? on a forum that pretty much advertises itself as a blank slate, open to all opinions and truths, groupthink is ALL it is.

but you'll all just absolve yourselves of any crime anyhow, and the core group shall remain.

people should really watch more of what they do, not say

[Sock Puppet]

I'm impressed, Michael. You made it through a solid week before hopping back on that hobbyhorse. Have a fun ride.

[ZEZOZE]

not sure what you're talking about sock? are you trying to antagonize me or something? accuse me of something? i'm just adding my opinion to this thread in a calm and rational way. can you tell me what i did wrong and what horse i am on?

strange.

[Sock Puppet]

Nothing wrong, bud. I'm just watching the pattern unfold. No need to get all defensive.

[ZEZOZE]

i wasn't being defensive. again you're making assumptions. i was just curious as to what you're talking about.

i find this topic interesting, be it here, my site or others...

it would serve people better if they watched what they did a little more than what they say. take the folks going around calling people passive aggressive. that action is aggressive. to accuse somebody of a mental disorder in order to silence them...that's a doing thing. that's getting in somebody's face. yet these people act all cool and aloof while doing it, like it is no skin off their backs...

i find it funny and interesting. there are a lot of smart people in the world, saying lots of smart things, but very few ever really pay attention to the stupid things they DO.

anyhow...have a nice day, sock!

[Sock Puppet]

You too, Mike!

[Shelli]

Originally Posted by InTheServiceOfZeke

... but you'll all just absolve yourselves of any crime anyhow, and the core group shall remain.

Originally Posted by InTheServiceOfZeke

not sure what you're talking about sock? are you trying to antagonize me or something? accuse me of something?

Who's antagonizing and/or accusing who?

Honestly, Michael, did I and others welcome you back just to find that you came back just to stir up old shit? I gave you the benefit of the doubt that that's not why you came back. I hope I wasn't wrong.

[ZEZOZE]

that's your perception, Shelli. don't mistake my honesty for something else.

i came back after bumping into an old friend...

oh and to answer your question- far as i know, i am not antagonizing or accusing anyone of anything. i'm just participating in a subject i find interesting.

take care, shelli!

[ZEZOZE]

(oh...and thanks for the benefit of your doubt, but what does your doubt have to do with me here? see?? )

[Watser?]

Originally Posted by Sock Puppet

You have to understand, mickey -- insults aren't all we have; they're merely all you're worth.

Actually, they are way more

That would still require paying attention to this useless asshole

[Shelli]

Thread title: Passive Aggression

Originally Posted by InTheServiceOfZeke

that's your perception, Shelli. don't mistake my honesty for something else.

i came back after bumping into an old friend...

oh and to answer your question- far as i know, i am not antagonizing or accusing anyone of anything. i'm just participating in a subject i find interesting.

take care, shelli!

Originally Posted by InTheServiceOfZeke

(oh...and thanks for the benefit of your doubt, but what does your doubt have to do with me here? see?? )

Oh, the irony.

[ZEZOZE]

did you say you're doing ironing? i have a shirt that needs done

[Crumb]

Passive aggression is not a mental disorder. It is a type of human behavior.

Michael: Why do you dismiss the idea that (contrary to groupthink) the people at tend to agree on a lot of things because those that agree tend to stick around more than those who don't?

[ZEZOZE]

that's true, crumb, but there are people here that are also religious bullies by nature, who try to force their thinking on others, and they're the people i am talking about. they exist at every site. this isn't about ff in particular, but a pattern of behaviour in some people that is present in many forums like this one. these people like to see themselves as the self-appointed guardians of a site...

[Crumb]

I think you have a hyper-sensitive bully detector.

[maddog]

Originally Posted by Crumb

Passive aggression is not a mental disorder. It is a type of human behavior.

Hm. I think the expression does, however, have a clinical meaning. I think it would be more constructive to begin with an expert in the field of psychology or human behavior, or whatever category of professional uses the term as one of art. Asking laypersons for inexpert opinions about something is probably not the most edifying way to approach a question.

#1195

[Leesifer]

Originally Posted by InTheServiceOfZeke

that's true, crumb, but there are people here that are also religious bullies by nature, who try to force their thinking on others, and they're the people i am talking about. they exist at every site. this isn't about ff in particular, but a pattern of behaviour in some people that is present in many forums like this one. these people like to see themselves as the self-appointed guardians of a site...

Yebbut, you keep coming back to us, Michael. So I think you love us really.

Although, I do agree with your "self-appointed guardians of a site.." statement, sort of.

I confess to feeling a little like that about . It's always great to get new members but I do get cross with people who join here and then complain about the place immediately. What's with that, really?

But, as you know, there've been some big fights on here between various people - not always the same people, either. This is a social place - for me anyway - and in such a place you are going to get like minded people. It doesn't mean they're not open to discussion or different ideas.

It also means that we can happily disagree with each other on one thread and be friendly on another. The whole time, we are still friends.

Basically, I don't think there are really any bullies here.

[ceptimus]

I've been accused of being passive aggressive, when I think I was really just being apathetic.

A guy at work asked my opinion on a contentious topic and I replied (I think truthfully) that I wasn't really interested. I told him that I thought he was probably wrong, but I couldn't be sure, as I didn't have the time or the interest to look into the topic more fully.

I was instantly labelled 'passive agressive'. Oh well...

[fragment]

Originally Posted by InTheServiceOfZeke

oh really? on a forum that pretty much advertises itself as a blank slate, open to all opinions and truths, groupthink is ALL it is.

but you'll all just absolve yourselves of any crime anyhow, and the core group shall remain.

people should really watch more of what they do, not say

You seem to have a different idea of what "groupthink" is to what I do. To me it expresses the idea that individuals aren't thinking for themselves, and are conforming their opinion to that of the social group. It looks like you're using it here as a pejorative way of referring to a group of people who happen to share the same opinion, even if they reached that opinion independently of each other.

As for "the forum advertising itself as a blank slate" - that refers to the operational practices of the admins vis-a-vis moderation/banning, and is pretty accurate IMO. It doesn't establish an ethical requirement that members here should behave as a blank slate, either individually or collectively.