Just curious -

[alphamale]

- is there ANYONE here who is a conservative?

[Widget]

Depends on what "you" believe a conservative is.

[Sweetie]

A conservative in what way?

I'm conservative by many standards, a bit liberal in others.

[Plant Woman]

I believe I am more conservative than you are alpha. I am more towards the middle and left than you are. You are too extreme right to be considered conservative, IMO. Shouldn't this be in a politics fighting forum?

[justaman]

Originally Posted by Debbie T

Shouldn't this be in a politics fighting forum?

Presactly, there's going to need to be way more whacky zany smilie inclusions if this thing wants any hope of remaining in the Watering Hole.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Debbie T

I believe I am more conservative than you are alpha. I am more towards the middle and left than you are. You are too extreme right to be considered conservative, IMO. Shouldn't this be in a politics fighting forum?

To be a conservative means middle and left? You're brain damaged. You're too naive too know that "extreme" is an utterly meaningless slur term in the political sense, it's tossed out by people who are losing arguments or afraid to engage in them.

[livius drusus]

A definition. Any decent debate starts by defining terms. Do so.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

A definition. Any decent debate starts by defining terms. Do so.

Quit the crap! You are as interested in a "decent debate" as I am in listening to Tupac for 12 hours straight!

[Sweetie]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Quit the crap! You are as interested in a "decent debate" as I am in listening to Tupac for 12 hours straight!

She likes decent debate as do I. You should try it, it's fun sometimes.

Actually, either get your terms together or maybe I'll start my own thread because this is interesting either way.

I am a Conservative politically. I'm voting for the Conservative Party of Canada in the near future as I did the last election, for the record.

I don't read or watch the News, just get what I accidentally run into. Other than that, if I want or feel I need other information, I go looking for it specifically from several different sources, hopefully conflicting so I can focus on details and technicalities, flaws and loopholes.

There's a start, hope it helps.

[Plant Woman]

[QUOTE=alphamale]

Originally Posted by Debbie T

To be a conservative means middle and left? You're brain damaged. You're too naive too know that "extreme" is an utterly meaningless slur term in the political sense, it's tossed out by people who are losing arguments or afraid to engage in them.

I am losing an argument here? LOL! First I didn't know answering a question was an argument. You asked, I answered. Too funny! Your answer is a winning argument? LOL! Oh please, the day you win an argument here will have to start with you beginning to understand what one is. I doubt anyone here is afraid of losing an argument to you, since so far you don't even know how to present an argument and back them up with something solid. For you to become a winner means a lot of growing up on your part and a lot less emotional outbursts. Name-calling, strawmen and mud slinging are not the means to winning an argument. Unless you do some major changes in your presentation, you are nothing more than a balloon with its opening stretched so tight it is squealing out a lot of hot air.

Thanks for the hardy laugh though.

[Odysseus]

I would say im conservative, socially. Is that what you mean?

[Carnivale Ed]

Split right down the middle. It really depends on the issue.

[cappuccino]

I'm liberal when it comes to civil rights and certain social issues but I'm conservative about the government and fiscal matters. So you could call me a left leaning moderate.

[erimir]

I'm for conserving the environment and uh conserving my money, and uh... conserving our freedoms. So I guess I'm a conservative!

I dunno I guess there are a FEW issues where I would be conservative and not "liberal".

[michael1111]

i think im conservative. i tend to get lumped with liberals cuz im arty, but i believe in less govt. i believe that people need to rely less on handouts. i dont think that can happen with the way things are set up right now, but it could start. i guess im a libertarian...with an anarchist heart

michael

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by michael1111

i think im conservative. i tend to get lumped with liberals cuz im arty, but i believe in less govt. i believe that people need to rely less on handouts. i dont think that can happen with the way things are set up right now, but it could start. i guess im a libertarian...with an anarchist heart

michael

Do speak up then! I'm a libertarian leaning conservative who is here single-handedly battling the herd of foaming-at-the mouth looney lib wingnuts! It's kind of like Dawn of the Dead!

[ms_ann_thrope]

I think what he really meant is, Is there anyone here who gets their news from Fox and is a subscriber to any Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter newsletters?

[Plant Woman]

Originally Posted by ms_ann_thrope

I think what he really meant is, Is there anyone here who gets their news from Fox and is a subscriber to any Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter newsletters?

Exactly and why I told him I was more conservative than him. There is a point where you get to be to extreme to be considered a conservative. Although I lean to the liberal side, I believe I am close to middle ground. I do vote for Republican or Democrat if a candidate is good. Although the last two rounds I haven't as the Repbublican party has become a nightmare.

Like John Carter stated: "... I try to live in the real world, where things aren't quite so black and white."

[ms_ann_thrope]

Originally Posted by Debbie T

Like John Carter stated: "... I try to live in the real world, where things aren't quite so black and white."

Binary "thinking" isn't really very... thoughtful.

I would so love to see a bipartisan ticket next election. Or, you know, if we could actually have a viable third party. More realistically, I'm hoping that CA can secede...

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by ms_ann_thrope

I think what he really meant is, Is there anyone here who gets their news from Fox and is a subscriber to any Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter newsletters?

No, I meant is there anyone who doesn't get their news from See B.S., their worldview from Michael Moore, their history from Oliver Stone, and their aesthetic sensibility from rapcrap.

[ms_ann_thrope]

Originally Posted by alphamale

No, I meant is there anyone who doesn't get their news from See B.S., their worldview from Michael Moore, their history from Oliver Stone, and their aesthetic sensibility from rapcrap.

Well then, douchebag, I guess that must make me a conservative.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ms_ann_thrope

Well then, douchebag, I guess that must make me a conservative.

QFT

Seriously, there are a number of fiscal conservatives (note that I mean actual fiscal conservatives, not don't-tax-but-still-spend Republicans) here, that I know of, and probably a handful of social conservatives I don't know about.

Personally, I consider myself a liberal, both in the classic sense of believing in the rule of law and the protection of individual rights, and in the more modern sense, although I don't really find the terms' liberal' and 'conservative' useful in denoting polticial leaning. Most 'conservatives' aren't actually very conservative, and I prefer the term 'progressive' to distinguish my political views from classic liberalism.

[ms_ann_thrope]

Originally Posted by Adam

QFT

Seriously, there are a number of fiscal conservatives (note that I mean actual fiscal conservatives, not don't-tax-but-still-spend Republicans) here, that I know of, and probably a handful of social conservatives I don't know about.

Personally, I consider myself a liberal, both in the classic sense of believing in the rule of law and the protection of individual rights, and in the more modern sense, although I don't really find the terms' liberal' and 'conservative' useful in denoting polticial leaning. Most 'conservatives' aren't actually very conservative, and I prefer the term 'progressive' to distinguish my political views from classic liberalism.

Dude, don't make alphamale's head explode. He's not gonna be able to wrap his inelastic little mind around the concept that it's not contradictory for a person to support reproductive freedom, gun ownership rights, and free market economics all at the same time.




I like your notion of using the term "progressive" to distinguish your political views from the otherwise black/white categories of "conservative" and "liberal," which you astutely note really aren't very useful descriptors. Maybe I'll try on "classical Jeffersonian" for size...

[alphamale]

Personally, I consider myself a liberal, both in the classic sense of believing in the rule of law and the protection of individual rights, and in the more modern sense, although I don't really find the terms' liberal' and 'conservative' useful in denoting polticial leaning. Most 'conservatives' aren't actually very conservative, and I prefer the term 'progressive' to distinguish my political views from classic liberalism.

Uh, political history 101 for you: The word "liberal" as it is used in america means almost exactly the opposite of what it did in the nineteenth century, that's because the american left hijacked the term in the early twentieth century. The word still has the original non-hijacked meaning in other parts of the world. You cannot be a classical liberal and modern liberal unless you have multiple personalities.

[livius drusus]

Seriously, alpha. You've received several substantive replies here. Couldn't you at least make an attempt to define conservative for them?