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I didn't say it. WorldNetDaily did:

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I have nothing against an occasional soy snack. Soy is nutritious and contains lots of good things. Unfortunately, when you eat or drink a lot of soy stuff, you're also getting substantial quantities of estrogens.

Estrogens are female hormones. If you're a woman, you're flooding your system with a substance it can't handle in surplus. If you're a man, you're suppressing your masculinity and stimulating your "female side," physically and mentally.

In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.

If you're a grownup, you're already developed, and you're able to fight off some of the damaging effects of soy. Babies aren't so fortunate. Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you're giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day. A baby's endocrine system just can't cope with that kind of massive assault, so some damage is inevitable. At the extreme, the damage can be fatal.

Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That's why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today's rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products. (Most babies are bottle-fed during some part of their infancy, and one-fourth of them are getting soy milk!) Homosexuals often argue that their homosexuality is inborn because "I can't remember a time when I wasn't homosexual." No, homosexuality is always deviant. But now many of them can truthfully say that they can't remember a time when excess estrogen wasn't influencing them.
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And people wonder why I'm so hard on conservo-lamers for trying to use WND as a source in debates. :roflcopt:
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In maturing male quail, a supplemented isoflavone diet did have a "modest effect" on the quail. It's one study, and I don't know what they consider a "modest effect" other than what we see in the abstract, but I don't think soy leads to homosexuality.

Read the abstract here.
Isoflavones are soy compounds that possess weak estrogenic and antiestrogenic activities. In addition, phytochemicals, including isoflavones, may play a role in regulating seasonal reproductive cycles. As soy is a common constituent in poultry diets, the effect of these compounds on the reproductive system of production birds may be of concern. The present study examined the putative effects of soy isoflavones supplemented into the diet at 1 and 5% using endpoints of growth and reproduction in the Japanese quail. Isoflavones did not exert an effect on growth, feed intake, growth:feed, or the weight of the estrogen-sensitive immature oviduct in female quail. Furthermore, isoflavones did not influence the growth of the oviduct stimulated by exogenous estradiol. Similarly, isoflavones did not influence growth, feed intake, or growth:feed in male quail. However, isoflavones at 1%, but not 5%, in the diet reduced photoperiod-induced testis development 40% vs. control. In contrast, isoflavones did not influence testis regression stimulated by exogenous estradiol in sexually maturing male quail. The present results suggest that isoflavones may exert modest endocrine disruptor-like effects on reproduction in male, but not female, quail.
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What's the connection between estrogen and male homosexuality?
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:58 PM
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What's the connection between estrogen and male homosexuality?
A quick PubMed search brought up this review. They don't make a link to homosexuality, just reproductive troubles.
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They don't make a link to homosexuality, just reproductive troubles.
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about, I guess. Not that I'd give this WND idiot any credence whatsoever. Somebody should write a column in response, linking hormonal imbalances to the religio-conservative obsession with homosexuality.
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When are they going to start putting warning labels on this stuff:

WARNING Dependence upon this product induces stupidity. After using, do not attempt to operate heavy machinery or engage in intelligent conversation.


Come to think of it, they need them on all them wholly babbles out there, too.
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Uh oh! Somebody better tell the soybean farmers of the Michigan militia that they're post revolutionary future's looking ... even gayer.
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In fetal development, the default is being female. All humans (even in old age) tend toward femininity. The main thing that keeps men from diverging into the female pattern is testosterone, and testosterone is suppressed by an excess of estrogen.
I can only assume the author knows nothing at all about developmental biology. At best, this is a gross exaggeration; at worst, it's an outright lie. I don't know why people keep saying it, since it's untrue. I suppose it's because the truth is too complicated for a sound-bite.

An early-stage embryo is neither male nor female phenotypically. It has both Mullerian ducts and Wolffian ducts. If the developing embryo is genetically male, testosterone produced by the developing testes causes the Mullerian ducts to wither away and the Wolffian ducts to develop into the male reproductive tract. If the developing embryo is genetically female, estrogens produced by the developing ovaries cause the Wolffian ducts to wither and the Mullerian ducts to develop into the female reproductive tract.

Now was that really so hard to understand?


An excess of either male or female hormones can interfere with this process, but it's an oversimplification -- at best -- to say that female is the "default sex."



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Research is now showing that when you feed your baby soy formula, you're giving him or her the equivalent of five birth control pills a day.
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Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality. That's why most of the medical (not socio-spiritual) blame for today's rise in homosexuality must fall upon the rise in soy formula and other soy products.
Citations, please?


The irony here is that there are a lot of chemicals (lots of plastics, for instance) that are hormone disrupters and are being released into the environment, where they affect development in non-human animals. And very possibly, humans as well. This is a serious concern among biologists, but I'm guessing that the author of this article is much less concerned about this phenomenon than that drinking soy milk might predispose a woman's son to be gay.

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Yeah...well, I guess that's why East Asia is having such a problem keeping it's population levels up to snuff...everybody's eating all that soy, going gay or having reproductive problems.

If you thought the commie plan to reduce families to just one child was bad...this is even worse!
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When are they going to start putting warning labels on this stuff:

WARNING Dependence upon this product induces stupidity. After using, do not attempt to operate heavy machinery or engage in intelligent conversation.


Come to think of it, they need them on all them wholly babbles out there, too.
You're right, godfry, they should put this warning label on every page of World Net Daily.
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Well I can confirm that for the two years I spent working in a tofu-manufacturing forced labour gulag one of our customers was the American base down in Antarctica.

I guess I was part of the antipodean outpost of the evil liberal conspiracy to gay up the US military.
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I guess I was part of the antipodean outpost of the evil liberal conspiracy to gay up the US military.
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Haven't the Chinese been eating soy in various ways for the last 2 or 3 thousand years?

I don't see a huge wave of homosexual Chinese resulting from this soy intake.

I also seem to recall a recent study that suggested that soy products, particularly tofu, was helpful in reduction of prostate cancer.
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Prostate cancer is a manly disease. It stands to reason that the feminizing effect of soy would represent a serious threat to such an inherently masculine condition.
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Homosexuals often argue that their homosexuality is inborn because "I can't remember a time when I wasn't homosexual." No, homosexuality is always deviant. But now many of them can truthfully say that they can't remember a time when excess estrogen wasn't influencing them.
Finally, an excuse to hate gay babies!
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Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality.
He's definitely renting the wrong gay porn.
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He definitely hasn't had gay sex with the same people I've had gay sex with.
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