MonCap, I don't think it's gonna hurt anybody to share your thoughts.
I am wondering if TomJoe's interactions were a goading that got out of hand. I think he was trying to get beyelzu offed because he is scum and deemed bey was a threat. His goading unfortunately got out of hand and bevelzu requested a mod killing. So the scum got a free kill. That is what I think in a nutshell.
Please note that I do not think he intended to provoke a flame war.
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I don't know, it's possible. But I don't know why the mafia would feel threatened by bey in particular. He's great at lying to people, apparently, but that never helps him out as a townie.
Still, instead of feeling threatened, maybe he just wanted to grease the wheels on that bandwagon.
I can't say TomJoe has risen any higher on my suspect list, but still, food for thought. Thanks. I'm assuming the other person is Lees, since you're voting for her at the moment.
Well, bloody hell! I go to bed and the town goes crazy!
Obviously, I was totally wrong about bey being mafia and, in the same respect, I must be wrong about ES, because she came under my suspicion for the quick backing up of bey.
I will abstain from voting until I've read the thread through again properly.
I am wondering if TomJoe's interactions were a goading that got out of hand.
If you go back and check, I used language no different than what bey used with me. It was simply a case of giving what I got. I cannot be responsible for his short fuse. Like I said earlier, it'd be fucking stupid for me, if I were mafia, to cause a scene like that ... because as we can all see now, I've drawn attention to myself.
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I'm still working on my tile, so I've had to read back about five pages.
Ok, I've noticed a bandwagon starting to role, and it has my name on it. It would be a huge mistake to hang me, as I am an honorable taxpaying townsperson. Sorry for merely lurking for such a long period of time, but I had to finish my kitchen. Anyhow, I'm back to play, and I stand before you and say resolutely:
"Dear people, I am but a simple townsperson, and implore you not to put an end to my short life. Every ounce of energy that I can muster, will be used for ridding our fair town of these mafia scum."
Note that the "kill" was never completed on beyelzu. There were eight votes, one short of the necessary count. Does the mafia steer away from the "kill" vote, or not? My assumption is that all three mafia, or at least two mafia and the traitor, were in on the vote to lynch beyelzu.
I'd tend to think probably not. Or, if they all hop on a lynching, it'll either be real late in the game (when their chaces of winning are almost assured) or at least not done every single time. Later on in the game, we'll start looking at vote patterns, and names that continually group together will start garnering suspicion, especially if those votes resulted in a lynching. So, early on in the game, the mob will probably vote (to avoid the "Hey, you didn't vote" suspicion), but I imagine they'll probably scatter it.
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Note that the "kill" was never completed on beyelzu. There were eight votes, one short of the necessary count. Does the mafia steer away from the "kill" vote, or not? My assumption is that all three mafia, or at least two mafia and the traitor, were in on the vote to lynch beyelzu.
I'd tend to think probably not. Or, if they all hop on a lynching, it'll either be real late in the game (when their chaces of winning are almost assured) or at least not done every single time. Later on in the game, we'll start looking at vote patterns, and names that continually group together will start garnering suspicion, especially if those votes resulted in a lynching. So, early on in the game, the mob will probably vote (to avoid the "Hey, you didn't vote" suspicion), but I imagine they'll probably scatter it.
I agree, I think it's unlikely all three were already voting for bey.
In fact, it's totally possible that 2 were voting for bey and the third was sitting back and NOT wanting to be the killing vote. Because that is suspicious and why not wait. The town was very close to killing him anyway.
But I do think that at least one of the mafia was voting for bey, not only because they could help a townie along to a lynching, but also because it's just statistically likely. There were 8 votes for him (though one was bey's at the time I think).
Let's take a look back at who was voting for him.... capp, lees, julie, nckev, moncap, josh-adams, tomjoe.
The thing is, just voting for bey means very little. You have to pick someone from there that you're already suspicious of really...
Checking in before I begin my meeting marathon for the day. I'll go ahead and float a vote for my current top candidate since my participation will be pretty spotty for the rest of the day. As I already said, lees got on my radar by making her strange statement to ES (and, incidentally, I found ES's most recent response to her a bit strange as well), so I think it's at least plausible that they're trying to establish a pattern of not being on the same side. Also, thanks to JA's vote history, I now note that her voting has been all over the place, which comes off as a minor scum tell to me, although it's not something that I would consider without prior reason to suspect her. So...
Vote: Leesifer
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What motherfucking hell? I come back in the morning and the thread's gone crazy and there's been another modkill already and the mafia still hasn't even lifted their fingers?
bey, you were a total pussy. Enough said, I didn't even find TomJoe's post goading, in fact I saw it as dry humor it was. Sheesh.
Ok so we're pretty much at day 2 with two players out of the picture. I just read through the new posts but nothing's crystalizing. So I'm rereading through the posts.
Also, thanks to JA's vote history, I now note that her voting has been all over the place, which comes off as a minor scum tell to me, although it's not something that I would consider without prior reason to suspect her. So...
Adam, I actually only voted for Nightson and bey. The vote for Spenser was before vm modkilled him, and we thought he was on holiday, so had decided to lynch him to get him out of the game.
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As I already said, lees got on my radar by making her strange statement to ES (and, incidentally, I found ES's most recent response to her a bit strange as well),
I did explain why I voted for ES. I thought she was too quick to stick up for bey with, what I saw as, little evidence. Since bey was a townie, I took back what I said about ES and she was thanking me in her post.
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Lees! Your bandwagon is picking up speed, what say ye in your defense?
Yes, I see that, Kev.
How can I convince you all that I am indeed an innocent townie. I'll obviously have to change the way I am on this thread in the hope that I can convince you without getting myself lynched.
I have been working on a huge project at work, which I should finish by today, so I will have more time to post.
So, your project done? Share with us some of your thoughts when you get up to speed on this thread. Two posts so far, we need a bit more to go on from you.
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So, your project done? Share with us some of your thoughts when you get up to speed on this thread. Two posts so far, we need a bit more to go on from you.
Well, I was away from my computer last night, so I just checked in this morning before work and the thread had grown. Just finished reading through everything.
Like trillian said before, the more you play these games, the less you seem to interact with them. People seem to have their own ideas that they are pressing, and I am learning a lot about both parties from them.
I am going to vote NC Kev to keep the two leading suspects more even. This allows us to see who people choose and give us more information.
One of the things that I have picked up from these games is once you decide that someone is mafia, there is nothing that you can do to convince yourself otherwises. Once you do this, you focus on getting them lynched before anyone else. This happened to me in a previous WW game and it almost cost us the game. I find that trying to read other peoples posts and not attack, but send out feelers on other people is a better way to gain more useful information.
I will try to read this thread again at work and come up with more information later. Also, thanks for the voting records, they will become helpful in the future.
I think that Leesifer's just being enthusiastic about the game. I was the same way last game and it cost my life. I'm not really getting any mafia vibes from her...just a determined townie.
I've been bothered by a certain player's posts...godfry. He seems too helpful, too considerable in his analysis. He's been rather too jovial I think. He even said in one of his post that it was in mafia's agenda to rush things along and town's agenda to slow things down. That doesn't really say anything because that still falls under the category of WIFOM since mafia equally can take its time and implore others to do the same thing in an attempt to disguise themselves. It smells of a misdirection and not even a well-veiled misdirection. I'm suspecting that there's a mafioso behind that innocent looking facade.
In reading his posts, it struck me how placid and unworried godfry was, as if he knew he wasn't in any danger, well maybe not from the mafia but certainly not from the town. I'm voting for him and we'll see what he does.
godfry has tickled my feelers a bit. He does seem to be playing the game in a relaxed and controlled fashion, which is the exact same way I played my first game, and I was mafia then. Though, given yesterdays events, I'm reluctant to place a vote at the moment. Don't be surprised if my lack of confidence at this point results in me not voting today at all.
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Just read through the 4 pages I'd missed. Whew. This is one helluva Day One.
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Originally Posted by balluga
One of the things that I have picked up from these games is once you decide that someone is mafia, there is nothing that you can do to convince yourself otherwises. Once you do this, you focus on getting them lynched before anyone else. This happened to me in a previous WW game and it almost cost us the game.
One thing I've noticed about the choices I've made is that I'm always trying to look at it from the mafia's point of view, decide what I would do in their place, and then look for suspects. The problem with that approach is that I tend to miss signs of townieness while I'm trying to dig up scuminess.
Another mistake I've made more than once is to force players into false dichotomies. Either this one is scum, or that one. Then both will turn out to be the scum, or neither.
I'm keeping my vote on godfry for now. I don't see what others are seeing in Kev, but I'll be doing some rereading via Show-Only of several players, maybe I'll spot it.
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I'm a nOOb, too, so I'm struggling to find the right level of activity vs. non-activity to demonstrate my towniness.
There is no "right" level. If you post to much, you are mafia; if you post to little, you are mafia; if you post just enough to not raise any eyebrows, you are mafia.
It is more that people just want reasons to lynch somebody to make their choice seem more real.
Second on my list right now is trillian, she's acting just like last game. Plus, she came on to post before going to bed and didn't comment on any of the action that too place. Just skipped it all and posted something fluffy.
Very suspsicious, I think.
I was quite shocked just now to find that bey offed himself! Wow! I only read the very last page last night (through a nice martini haze). I still don't have time to do a thorough reading till after lunch. My sick doggie takes precedence for now. :
I'm a nOOb, too, so I'm struggling to find the right level of activity vs. non-activity to demonstrate my towniness.
There is no "right" level. If you post to much, you are mafia; if you post to little, you are mafia; if you post just enough to not raise any eyebrows, you are mafia.
It is more that people just want reasons to lynch somebody to make their choice seem more real.
That's why I try not to make too much of the sheer volume of activity. A better clue is the quality of activity: is the player really trying to be helpful? That's how I pegged Adam in the first game; he contributed, but nothing he said was really useful to the town, even though it appeared to be at a glance.
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