A revolution in thought

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Bump.

Bump.

[The Lone Ranger]

You know, NASA does have a website. It's not like this information is hidden or anything.


For example, in July of 1994, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 was rendered into multiple fragments by Jupiter's gravity. Those fragments then impacted Jupiter, exploding on impact. The flash of the fragments' explosions were photographed by multiple space probes, as well as by telescopes here on Earth and in Earth orbit (the Hubble, in particular). [Remember: Jupiter is much further away from us than Mars is.]


The Galileo probe was on its way to Jupiter at the time, so between Earth and Jupiter. It photographed several of the impacts.


Here, for example, is a sequence of photographs of Jupiter taken by Galileo. Note frame 2844, clearly showing the flash when Fragment W hits Jupiter's atmosphere and explodes. The time, as recorded by Galileo was 07:33 UT, 22 July 1994.

Now, here's the impact flash of Fragment W hitting Jupiter as seen from Earth, by the Hubble Telescope. Note the time: 8:16 UT, 22 July 1994. That is, the Galileo probe saw and photographed the impact more than half an hour before it was visible from Earth.

You can find lots of such images, complete with timestamped metadata, at the NASA website.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I have yet to see the proof; side by side pictures of the same event occurring 5 minutes later.

If Peacegirl doesn't see it, it doesn't exist, willful ignorance at it's best.

[Spacemonkey]

Nice try, TLR. But those pictures clearly aren't YouTube videos. One has to wonder why NASA is hiding these pictures from the scientific community by not releasing them on YouTube. Also, your pictures are not side-by-side. They are clearly posted one above the other, in vertical alignment. Such flawed data!

Peacegirl, does any of this Shoemaker-Levy stuff strike you as slightly familiar? Any sense of deja vu on this? Or is it all totally new to you?

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

You know, NASA does have a website. It's not like this information is hidden or anything.


For example, in July of 1994, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 was rendered into multiple fragments by Jupiter's gravity. Those fragments then impacted Jupiter, exploding on impact. The flash of the fragments' explosions were photographed by multiple space probes, as well as by telescopes here on Earth and in Earth orbit (the Hubble, in particular).


The Galileo probe was on its way to Jupiter at the time, so between Earth and Jupiter. It photographed several of the impacts.


Here, for example, is a sequence of photographs of Jupiter taken by Galileo. Note frame 2844, clearly showing the flash when Fragment W hits Jupiter's atmosphere and explodes. The time, as recorded by Galileo was 07:33 UT, 22 July 1994.

Now, here's the impact flash as seen from Earth, by the Hubble Telescope. Note the time: 8:16 UT, 22 July 1994.

You can find lots of such images, complete with timestamped metadata, at the NASA website.

I don't see the problem here. The explosion was too far away to be picked up by Hubble until the flash got closer to Earth. You can't compare this to his Sun explosion example.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

The explosion was too far away to be picked up by Hubble until the flash got closer to Earth.

Yes, Hubble must have been operating at its absolute limits to see anything as far away as Jupiter! Well spotted, Peacegirl. How close to Earth/Hubble do you think the flash was when Hubble was finally able to see it?

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You can't compare this to his Sun explosion example.

Yes, explosion on the Sun vs explosion on Jupiter? Totally apples and oranges!

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Bump.

Bump.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

You know, NASA does have a website. It's not like this information is hidden or anything.


For example, in July of 1994, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 was rendered into multiple fragments by Jupiter's gravity. Those fragments then impacted Jupiter, exploding on impact. The flash of the fragments' explosions were photographed by multiple space probes, as well as by telescopes here on Earth and in Earth orbit (the Hubble, in particular). [Remember: Jupiter is much further away from us than Mars is.]


The Galileo probe was on its way to Jupiter at the time, so between Earth and Jupiter. It photographed several of the impacts.


Here, for example, is a sequence of photographs of Jupiter taken by Galileo. Note frame 2844, clearly showing the flash when Fragment W hits Jupiter's atmosphere and explodes. The time, as recorded by Galileo was 07:33 UT, 22 July 1994.

Now, here's the impact flash of Fragment W hitting Jupiter as seen from Earth, by the Hubble Telescope. Note the time: 8:16 UT, 22 July 1994. That is, the Galileo probe saw and photographed the impact more than half an hour before it was visible from Earth.

You can find lots of such images, complete with timestamped metadata, at the NASA website.

And everyone sees the truth, except Peacegirl, she will continue to defend her fiction even when everyone else sees the truth.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I don't see the problem here. The explosion was too far away to be picked up by Hubble until the flash got closer to Earth. You can't compare this to his Sun explosion example.

Peacegirl, if the explosion and flash were on Jupiter, how could it get closer to Earth so that the Hubble telescope could see it? The fact is that the Hubble telescope can easily focus on and take photos of Jupiter, just because you don't know anything about it, doesn't mean it isn't true. And denying it just makes you look more stupid.

And NO you can't compare Lessans Sun being turned on with the Jupiter impacts of the comet fragments. Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 was a real event, Lessans sun example was pure fiction, and false as well.

[The Lone Ranger]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I don't see the problem here. The explosion was too far away to be picked up by Hubble until the flash got closer to Earth.

What the heck do you think that "flash" is? It's light.

And of course the Hubble couldn't see that light until it reached Earth. That's the whole point.

Meanwhile, since the Galileo probe was much closer to Jupiter at the time, the light reached it almost 45 minutes before it reached Earth, and so light from the explosion was visible to Galileo almost 45 minutes before it was visible here on Earth.

[But]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

All of the images that Hubble captures is great, but it does not prove that these pictures aren't in real time. We're back to square one.

LOL. You don't think that researchers that make their living studying every little detail of planets like Jupiter would notice that the orientation of the biggest planet with all its prominent features is off by 30 degrees?

Why don't you write an email to some of the researchers who are involved in taking these pictures and ask them what's going on?

[But]

How to Construct a 30 Degrees Angle Using Compass and Straightedge

That's a 30 degree angle.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by But

Take Jupiter. Here you have the same effect as with Mars, but more extreme.

That's exactly what Jupiter WANTS you to believe. Much like the Jewish conspiracy to exterminate the white race via vaccination, Jupiter and Mars are conspiring to make a brilliant autodidact/aluminum siding salesman look like a butthurt, self-aggrandizing moron.

Moar like JEWpiter amirite!

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by But

LOL. You don't think that researchers that make their living studying every little detail of planets like Jupiter would notice that the orientation of the biggest planet with all its prominent features is off by 30 degrees?

Why don't you write an email to some of the researchers who are involved in taking these pictures and ask them what's going on?

Do you really expect Peacegirl to notice something as minuscule as 45 minutes or 30 degrees, you've got to be kidding. I would be surprised if she noticed the passage of time from one day to the next. She's Totally insulated from reality via her fathers book.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by But

Why don't you write an email to some of the researchers who are involved in taking these pictures and ask them what's going on?

Wow! you're just setting Peacegirl up for more butt hurt from being laughed by the researchers. Of course they could be a lot more patient that I am, they haven't dealt with her stupidity for several years.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

That's exactly what Jupiter WANTS you to believe. Much like the Jewish conspiracy to exterminate the white race via vaccination, Jupiter and Mars are conspiring to make a brilliant autodidact/aluminum siding salesman look like a butthurt, self-aggrandizing moron.

Moar like JEWpiter amirite!

At least Jupiter and Mars don't have to try very hard, Peacegirl is doing that for him quite well.

[thedoc]

What's one good thing about a pedophile?

They always slow down at a school zone.

What's one good thing about Peacegirl?

She is totally oblivious to reality, you can say anything you want about her, and it's like water off a ducks back.

[But]

Here they observed Jupiter simultaneously with Hubble and Cassini and still didn't notice that we see in real time ()

Uncovering the mysteries of Jupiter's aurora | ESA/Hubble

As the NASA/ESA Cassini spacecraft makes its closest approach to Jupiter - approximately 10 million kilometres, compared with a distance of 600 million kilometres from Earth - researchers have a rare opportunity to gather data and images about the aurora simultaneously from Cassini and the NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope. They will be able to conduct a real-time experiment from a distance of 600 million kilometres.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by But

Here they observed Jupiter simultaneously with Hubble and Cassini and still didn't notice that we see in real time ()

Uncovering the mysteries of Jupiter's aurora | ESA/Hubble

Hardly surprising. These are the same idiots who apparently built a billion dollar space telescope with zero range - unable to detect a flash of light any more than zero metres from the instrument. Stupid scientists.

[thedoc]

The reason scientists don't mention the time delay in their description of events on celestial bodies, is that they expect that everyone understands and accepts it as true, and it is an obvious fact that doesn't need to be mentioned. Why would a scientist feel the need to mention an obvious fact?

[GdB]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I don't see the problem here. The explosion was too far away to be picked up by Hubble until the flash got closer to Earth. You can't compare this to his Sun explosion example.

You always said we see what happens far away, we see in real time. This is the proof we don't. Hubble telescope, close to us, sees the comet impact 43 minutes later than space probe Galileo did.

We see what happens far away later, because the light has to get to us.

You must suppose a conspiracy to deny this evidence, that these photos and their timings are fake.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by The Lone Ranger

What the heck do you think that "flash" is? It's light.

And of course the Hubble couldn't see that light until it reached Earth. That's the whole point.

Meanwhile, since the Galileo probe was much closer to Jupiter at the time, the light reached it almost 45 minutes before it reached Earth, and so light from the explosion was visible to Galileo almost 45 minutes before it was visible here on Earth.

I'm not disputing that TLR.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by GdB

You always said we see what happens far away, we see in real time. This is the proof we don't. Hubble telescope, close to us, sees the comet impact 43 minutes later than space probe Galileo did.

We see what happens far away later, because the light has to get to us.

You must suppose a conspiracy to deny this evidence, that these photos and their timings are fake.

No it is not proof. How many times have I agreed that light travels and that it would take 8 minutes for light to arrive so it would be 12:08? We would not be able to see each other until that light arrived but we would be able to see the Sun being turned on at 12. Why? I've explained this many times already.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by But

LOL. You don't think that researchers that make their living studying every little detail of planets like Jupiter would notice that the orientation of the biggest planet with all its prominent features is off by 30 degrees?

Why don't you write an email to some of the researchers who are involved in taking these pictures and ask them what's going on?

Jupiter rotates fast so the images would reflect this.

[Dragar]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Jupiter rotates fast so the images would reflect this.

Do you think Jupiter is spinning like a wooden top or something, peacegirl?