After penetration, you're on your own

[Diablo's Dick]

Originally Posted by Veritas

Does that make it rape though?

I should think so.

If a woman were raped, but she started to enjoy it after the rapist started--unlikely, I know-- would that make it not rape?

[Clutch Munny]

Originally Posted by D. Scarlatti

The problem is, apart from the facts of this case, the court has announced this as a rule of law that presumably applies to circumstances not so easy to brush off as the facts here arguably are, given the various degrees of dimwittedness displayed by the participants.

Mid-coitus the heartless deceiver announces, "By the way -- I'm the man who killed your father!" She screams "Stop!" To no avail; having consented, she is no longer able to claim rape.

Or maybe the court could rule that true consent did not occur in that case, owing to the deception practiced in advance.

Which might in turn be cynically thought to nullify the apparent consent in a great many sexual encounters...

[Artemis Entreri]

Technically as long as she stands firm that it was non-consentual then it's rape. It's the same thing for sex with a minor; they might want to have sex but since they can not legally give consent then it's non-consentual sex therefore it is rape.

[JackDog]

Originally Posted by Artemis Entreri

I don't think you could go "whoops, [ma'am] my penis just slid right into your anus!"

Actually, that was Mike. He had sex with her and didn't get charged with rape. The other dumbass tried to have sex, couldn't get it in, and gets charged with rape.

Also, it is possible to slip into the anus by accident.

[Artemis Entreri]

soo..... he's being charged with rape mostly because he had a big dick? atleast bigger than the needle-dick that could slip in the back door without notice.

[Shelli]

She'll fuck literally ANYTHING, yet she's charging the guy with rape because it took him a few scant seconds to stop humping her on her comand? What a cunt.

[D. Scarlatti]

So much for victim impact statements. The jury convicted him of rape, by the way.

[Shelli]

What. A. Cunt.

[D. Scarlatti]

Gotcha, thanks.

[Shelli]

You're welcome.

[Artemis Entreri]

Dude, was a sleaze-ball for sure but that shouldn't get him sent to prison for rape.
I could understand it getting pushed through and getting a conviction if she was underage, but it says that she was 18. I mean he stopped. Not right away, but then was she assertive?, did she yell stop? did she make it perfectly clear that she meant for him to stop completely? Probably not. But when she repeatedly said stop he stopped. He wasn't thinking clearly but then neither was she.

[Shelli]

They're both sleeze bags but I don't think either one deserves to go to jail over this.

I wouldn't doubt it that someone convinced her that it was rape.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Shelli

She'll fuck literally ANYTHING...

Wait, where did that come from? Based on what I read, she just sounds young and dumb.

When I originally read about this, I was sort of torn regarding what to think but now that I've read the links Scarlatti posted, I'm not really torn any more. Whatever consent she gave appears to have been at least somewhat coerced, and I had no idea the decision was based on 'Biblical and Middle, Assyrian Laws.'

[Shelli]

Originally Posted by Adam

Wait, where did that come from? Based on what I read, she just sounds young and dumb.

When I originally read about this, I was sort of torn regarding what to think but now that I've read the links Scarlatti posted, I'm not really torn any more. Whatever consent she gave appears to have been at least somewhat coerced, and I had no idea the decision was based on 'Biblical and Middle, Assyrian Laws.'

Hyperbole meaning that she's just as much of a sleeze ball as he is. Coerced? Where's your proof of that? If so, did they both coerce her, and if so, why aren't they both going down for rape?

The whole thing is pretty pathetic.

[Shelli]

... she found herself on her back with appellant removing her jeans and Mike sitting on her chest, attempting to place his penis in her mouth.

Maouloud Baby v. State of Maryland

She "found herself on her back"?

Oh, dearie me! How did I get here?

[biochemgirl]

I think it's very murky waters. One thing is very clear to me, consent to a sexual act, even if that consent is later revoked, is not the same as RAPE as we think of it. Isn't a defining characteristic of rape without consent? I also understand that in the heat of the moment people can get carried away and find themselves in situations before they realize what they're doing, but again how is a guy supposed to know when that boundary is crossed if the inital consent is given? Nobody thinks clearly on the way to an orgasm. After the initation of the sex act there really isn't too much thinking from then on out.

Initally when I read this I was reminded of Wedding Crashers when he says "Just the tip, just to see how it feels" I suppose I shouldn't laugh at it but I couldn't help it.

[MonCapitan2002]

Originally Posted by Artemis Entreri

um.. reading that something caught my attention. It said he briefly entered her rectum by mistake... I've heard people joke about that kinda thing but I've never thought it actually possible. It said "entered" not "tried to enter." I would think that kinda thing would take consent and knowledge from both parties or else there would be severe damage done. I don't think you could go "whoops, man my penis just slid right into your anus!" (I'll be surprised if that doesn't end up in the qt)

I just added it. Hopefully no one else did.

[D. Scarlatti]

At least it's good to know that feminism is alive and well here at the freethought-forum! You go, girlfriend.

[Shelli]

I'm not sure who your post is directed at, DS, but either way... Is "feminism" supposed to mean that you take the female's side regardless of the facts and circumstances? If so, I'd be embarrassed to call myself a "feminist".

I'm not a feminist, masculinist, transgenderist, et al. I'm a realist and IMO it is unrealistic to call this a rape case.

[Shelli]

I do agree that it's pretty fucked up for a court to rule that once a woman has given permission for penetration that it is no longer rape should she change her mind for any reason, but this case is a very bad example of why it is.

[biochemgirl]

If by feminism you mean equal rights for women that are BALANCED and equal for men also and not radical female power at all costs than yes, you are right. I don't buy into the radical feminist bullshit because it's incredibly sexist. I'm not into getting anywhere in life because I'm a victim, it will be on equal footing with the work that I put into it. I've never gotten any special breaks in college and my career for being a woman in a male dominated field. But yes I would consider myself a feminist, just not a radical feminist that wants to take rights away from men in order to achieve equality. The founding mothers of feminism did not intend for it to be as it is now portrayed by the media and in reality that is not where most feminists stand.

[Clutch Munny]

Originally Posted by biochemgirl

I'm not into getting anywhere in life because I'm a victim, it will be on equal footing with the work that I put into it. I've never gotten any special breaks in college and my career for being a woman in a male dominated field.

To the extent that this is true -- which may not be a great extent -- it's largely owing to the work of women who did indeed "take rights away" that many men believed they possessed. It's a good thing for you that not everyone was so reluctant to be considered radical.

To my mind your characterizations of "radical feminism" perpetuate the media misrepresentations of feminism, rather than transcending them.

[seebs]

I just wanna know, exactly how long do you have from "on second thought, let's stop" before you're required to be done?

[slimshady2357]

Originally Posted by seebs

I just wanna know, exactly how long do you have from "on second thought, let's stop" before you're required to be done?

(pi+phi)2/(A+a) seconds

Where A = you age and a= your partner's age.

or the Planck time, whichever is shorter

[Artemis Entreri]

Must have been a democratic court, they expected immediate and full withdrawl