Soldier questions eligibility - Page 2

Master Taran · #26 02-25-2009, 09:51 PM

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Ok. Speculate this. Is it possible that the certificate has been seen and approved.

If that approval is officially attested to by an agent of the federal government, it may be worth something; but I've seen nothing of the kind.

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Or the certificate has something on it that he and the family do not want public?

Legally it doesn't matter. He voided his privacy rights WRT anything relevant to his constitutional eligibility when he became a candidate.

All I'm trying to say is, unless proven otherwise he is the President. I don't do the what if game. I've got better things to do. I for one am rooted in reality.

ChuckF · #27 02-25-2009, 09:52 PM

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Repetitive troll is repetitive.

muslim president is muslim!!!1

yguy · #28 02-25-2009, 09:56 PM

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Haven't we been over this four times now, in four separate threads? The State of Hawaii has issued a statement on the matter,

Even taken at face value, the statement from Fukino is hardly dispositive. All she said was that the State has the original document. She said nothing about whether the image posted by Obama represents it with substantial accuracy.

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and as they are the issuing body of the certificate in question, the matter is closed.

As I said before, no State gets to pass judgment on constitutional eligibility for the Presidency.

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yguy · #30 02-25-2009, 10:04 PM

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All I'm trying to say is, unless proven otherwise he is the President.

I know what you're trying to say, and it's baloney. If he's not a natural born citizen, neither does he have legal authority to act as President.

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I don't do the what if game. I've got better things to do. I for one am rooted in reality.

Don't look like it from here, pilgrim.

Crumb · #31 02-25-2009, 10:09 PM

Is this your only issue now yguy?

Leesifer · #32 02-25-2009, 10:10 PM

yguy, answer an ignorant foreigner here, please.

Was Barack Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii?

Is Hawaii a state of the United States of America?

Watser? · #33 02-25-2009, 10:12 PM

Is up up?

Is white black?

Is gravity still on?

yguy · #34 02-25-2009, 10:14 PM

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yguy, answer an ignorant foreigner here, please.

Was Barack Obama was born in a hospital in Hawaii?

That's the problem. We don't know, and Obama refuses to release the document that would tell us.

Master Taran · #35 02-25-2009, 10:19 PM

Thank you yguy. I started this thread because I find it appalling that a few boots on the ground are questioning the chain of command. And voicing their opinion. When I was a 101st Airborne Ranger LRRP I was told that if I was to have an opinion, it would be issued to me. Other than that I was to have a hot steaming cup of shut the fuck up.

And Adam I'm not here for your posting pleasure. If you do not like what I post or my posting style. Please feel free to put me on ignore. You have my permission.

Leesifer · #36 02-25-2009, 10:20 PM

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That's the problem. We don't know, and Obama refuses to release the document that would tell us.

Snopes says otherwise.

ETA! What has Adam done?

Watser? · #37 02-25-2009, 10:22 PM

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And Adam I'm not here for your posting pleasure. If you do not like what I post or my posting style. Please feel free to put me on ignore. You have my permission.

Crumb · #38 02-25-2009, 10:25 PM

Oh Leesifer. It really isn't worth going down that road. You see that's obviously not the REAL ORIGINAL ACTUAL REALLY REAL birth certificate. That's just a certified copy. :gasp:

Which might as well be an official writ of Mooslimdom for all it's worth. :rolls:

Adam · #39 02-25-2009, 10:28 PM

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And Adam I'm not here for your posting pleasure. If you do not like what I post or my posting style. Please feel free to put me on ignore. You have my permission.

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, I meant yguy (aka He Who Brings Up the Birth Certificate Thing Every Couple Weeks Like Clockwork), not you.

Leesifer · #40 02-25-2009, 10:28 PM

ty Crumb.

Although on this side of the pond, a certified copy is still legally binding.

What say you, yguy?

yguy · #41 02-25-2009, 10:28 PM

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Thank you yguy. I started this thread because I find it appalling that a few boots on the ground are questioning the chain of command. And voicing their opinion.

Will that still be your position if it is found that Obama is ineligible for the office?

yguy · #42 02-25-2009, 10:31 PM

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ty Crumb.

Although on this side of the pond, a certified copy is still legally binding.

What say you, yguy?

Whether or not it's a forgery, what Obama posted is an abstract, not a photocopy of the original.

Master Taran · #43 02-25-2009, 10:36 PM

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And Adam I'm not here for your posting pleasure. If you do not like what I post or my posting style. Please feel free to put me on ignore. You have my permission.

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, I meant yguy (aka He Who Brings Up the Birth Certificate Thing Every Couple Weeks Like Clockwork), not you.

My bad. I apologize.

Crumb · #44 02-25-2009, 10:37 PM

I'm not one to say I told you so. :nope:

LadyShea · #45 02-25-2009, 10:37 PM

Lees, FYI, most states issue such state certified abstracts when one requests proof of birth. That's what I have in my files, a CA certified abstract. This means the info from the original document has been put into a database, and the info is pulled from the database and printed on the abstract.

These can be used to get a passport (from the Federal gov.) or state-ID, or enroll in school, or whatever proof of age and natural born citizenship is needed for.

For some reason, some people think this is not good enough, and want a photocopy of the actual original birth cert. though.

Officials of the State of Hawaii have verbally stated the original paper birth record is in their files, and by certifying the abstract have also asserted the information on it is accurate.

Master Taran · #46 02-25-2009, 10:37 PM

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Thank you yguy. I started this thread because I find it appalling that a few boots on the ground are questioning the chain of command. And voicing their opinion.

Will that still be your position if it is found that Obama is ineligible for the office?

YES!

ChuckF · #47 02-25-2009, 10:39 PM

But will that still be your position if it is found that Obama is A ROMULAN?

beyelzu · #48 02-25-2009, 10:41 PM

I was okay with bush being president when he won the election through fraud. so whats the difference?

Leesifer · #49 02-25-2009, 10:44 PM

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Lees, FYI, most states issue such state certified abstracts when one requests proof of birth. That's what I have in my files, a CA certified abstract.

These can be used to get a passport (from the Federal gov.) or state-ID, or enroll in school, or whatever proof of age and natural born citizenship is needed for.

For some reason, some people think this is not good enough, and want a photocopy of the actual original birth cert. though.

Yes, it's the same here. We can get a certified copy from the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages. Same with death certificates. They are all legally binding.

yguy, here you can have a photocopy that is legally certified as a true copy of the original - which means it is a legally bound document. As an example, what would you do if your original copy of your birth certificate were somehow lost or destroyed. Would you get a copy?

LadyShea · #50 02-25-2009, 10:47 PM

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We can get a certified copy from the Registrar of Births, Deaths and Marriages. Same with death certificates. They are all legally binding.

It's not a photocopy though, it's an abstract

Basically they take the info from the original paper copy and put it in a database
Then the paper copy is stored
If one requests their birth cert, the state takes the information from the database and prints it on a new form, the abstract. They don't go dig up the original paper document.

Some states only use digital storage for new births (no paper copy at all), and/or only issue abstracts. A few will issue a photocopy for those that have original paper documents, but not all.