Another Mass Shooting

[Ari]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Wait, so you think there happened to be footage of a Newtown school shooting that CNN had on file.

Yes.
The school district had just spent a bunch of money on security and had been running multiple drills. I bet the local news even covered one of those drill and had footage on file.

Unless of course you can provide actual evidence the footage was from the same day...

[freemonkey]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Right, even with all that, people still believed it.

It works even better today.

Right. So whose fault is that again?

[curses]

Lone Star College shooting: Texas college shooting, lockdown in north Harris County school reported

Not much info yet, several people shot, maybe?

[Vivisectus]

Never happened. Look at the way those cars are parked. And they say the campus is in lockdown, but you can see people walking around. Also, they don't know how many people got shot hours after it happened? Caucasian please. They are trying to get the attention away from Sandy Hook expose run by Jerome.

[ChuckF]

"I saw two dudes basically get into an altercation and ... the dude that shot, he basically got angry and you know started shooting the other guy," said Mobley.

Isn't that how things are supposed to work? Like, obviously one of them is a good guy with a gun and one of them is a bad guy with a gun, and the good guy one. That is the rule.

And I don't get this thing.

A fight between two people led to a shooting at a Texas community college, where a maintenance man was caught in the crossfire and wounded, officials said.

Crossfire? What's that? Everyone is safer when everyone has at least one gun. That never would have happened to the maintenance guy if he had shot back, I guess?

In conclusion, the freedom of two dudes to shoot each other at a community college is basically exactly what the framers had in mind. As long as they don't try to marry each other.

[Jerome]

That is what happens when government subsidies higher education, they let anyone in, retards on campus are a direct result of government intervention into education.

[The Lone Ranger]

On a vaguely-related note, we received an e-mail today saying that in order to improve campus safety in light of recent school shootings, all faculty members and other employees will be required to wear picture ID badges while on campus, starting on February 1st.

Since I teach at a small satellite campus, I'm literally the only full-time faculty member in the department at this campus. It's not as if everyone here doesn't know me. And while I'm not exactly certain what it is about the idea, but there's something in me that is completely repulsed at the idea of wearing an ID badge.

So, when it came up earlier today, I told the office staff that I have no intention of complying, and that if the President has a problem with that decision, he can come down here and explain to me himself why that is the wrong decision.

We'll see how long that lasts.


[I suppose that, if everyone on the main campus is required to wear an ID badge, it would be wrong of me to refuse to obey the rule simply because I can (probably) get away with it due to my location. I'll have to give that some thought ...]

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Ari

Yes.
The school district had just spent a bunch of money on security and had been running multiple drills. I bet the local news even covered one of those drill and had footage on file.

Unless of course you can provide actual evidence the footage was from the same day...

By grim coincidence, even as the terrible events were unfolding in Newtown on Friday morning, the Putnam County Emergency Response Team (“ERT”) happened to be assembled for regular training in Carmel, and team members were at that very moment engaged in a mock scenario of an active-shooter in a school. The ERT is comprised of specially trained and heavily armed officers from the Sheriff’s Office and the Carmel and Kent Police Departments. When news broke of the Newtown shooting, the Putnam County ERT commander called Newtown Police and offered to have the ERT respond to the Sandy Hook school, but that response was not needed because Connecticut police had already secured the scene.

Sheriff: Putnam Officials to Talk School Safety This Afternoon - Southeast-Brewster, NY Patch

Dec 14, 2012

FEMA L-366 Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters

Division of Emergency Management and Homeland Security

[ChuckF]

Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters

Those bastards.

[Vivisectus]

Isn't that how things are supposed to work? Like, obviously one of them is a good guy with a gun and one of them is a bad guy with a gun, and the good guy one. That is the rule.

That is just typical leftie commienazi islamophile freedom-hater groupthink there. Probabaly the root cause of all these people wanting to shoot each other that we could easily address but refuse to because of feminized environments created by you talking out of your mangina all the time and lack of school prayer. Also Obama did it.

Look, it is so simple: the guy with the gun was a criminal who would have had a gun anyway no-matter what kind of regulation is put in place, because he does not obey the law. If he wasn't, he would not have shot someone.

Now if anyone else had shot him, THAT would have been a good guy with a gun. As long as the first shooter he had either shot someone already, or was going to beyond a shadow of a doubt. Or was scaring a legitimate gun-owner in a stand-your-ground state.

Now if on the other hand this criminal would not have had a gun, then he would have hurt at least 2 people anyway, as he would have just carried a battle-axe or something and the janitor would have been in the cross-swing in stead of in the way of a stray bullet as guns are totally not more powerful or deadly than other weapons.

Why don't you go live in china or something!

[Ari]

Originally Posted by Jerome

Division of Emergency Management and Homeland Security

The bold totally proves you right…
Oh wait, "2800 Main Street, Bridgeport, CT" Hmm. That's not Newtown and since the footage clearly was from Newtown I'm betting this isn't the event you are looking for. Care to try again?

Reading some of the Sandy hook truther stuff has been quite interesting. Some small details are blown way out of proportion like CNN using file footage (ya know, like news programs do) yet other details are ignored completely (such as the location of the shooter drill). It's like conspiracy theorists are so used to pouring over old or bad video and redacted files that they have forgotten it's possible to do research beyond that. When handed a current event with easy to access information they still think going frame by frame will crack this conspiracy wide open, like it's an easter egg hunt.

[Vivisectus]

Panning for gold... poring over any little detail that fits the narrative they have already decided is true, treating whatever can be shoehorned in to fit it as evidence in favor of what they want to believe... and yet instantly forgetting to add any debunked previous find to the other side of the equation: the column marked "reasons NOT to believe it is a conspiracy"

In fact they don't bother with that column at all...

[Jerome]

The point is dummy, that they were running multiple training drills concerning children in disasters and active school shooter training drills all about the area that same day at that same time.

[Jerome]

Originally Posted by Ari

like CNN using file footage

You have evidence that it was file footage and not the active school shooter training drill occurring at the same time, otherwise you are just pulling shit out of your ass.

[Ari]

I wasn't the one who brought up CNN as evidence of a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Jerome

The point is dummy, that they were running multiple training drills concerning children in disasters and active school shooter training drills all about the area that same day at that same time.

Oh now it's just "the area" before it was "just a few miles away in the same town." You even called that "indisputable facts." You said CNN showed that training drill in your clip "CNN was showing the other school shooting occurring in Newtown that day, you know, the drill they happened to be running at the same time."

So the same day a drill happened in Bridgeport a real shooting happened in Newtown and CNN showed footage of a drill happening in Newtown, thus conspiracy?

[Jeroll]

Originally Posted by Ari

I wasn't the one who brought up CNN as evidence of a conspiracy.

Oh now it's just "the area" before it was "just a few miles away in the same town." You even called that "indisputable facts." You said CNN showed that training drill in your clip "CNN was showing the other school shooting occurring in Newtown that day, you know, the drill they happened to be running at the same time."

So the same day a drill happened in Bridgeport a real shooting happened in Newtown and CNN showed footage of a drill happening in Newtown, thus conspiracy?

Still pulling this stuff out of your ass? Hmm?

You're right; I was wrong. It wasn't a conspiracy after all; it was a governmental overreach against law abiding gun owners.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by Jerome

The point is dummy

Very much so.

[freemonkey]

something I've noticed in recent weeks from 2nd Amendment "defenders" (on Facebook, for instance) is the use of second and third party opinion pieces. When they use quotes to try to strengthen their argument that Obama is coming to take their guns, they cite an NRA (or NRA type) blog or publication's interpretation of that quote, which is usually either incomplete or taken completely out of context.

One example is this, the words of a Chicago police chief, as quoted from a pro-gun blog:

Originally Posted by Gary McCarthy

So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

the blog went on to tell it's readers that McCarthy had made a blanket statement that he was going to shoot innocent civilians if they own guns. No amount of arguing, thus far, has been able to convince the acquaintance who posted this that that is not the case.

[Watser?]

That's because they are beyond reason. Their arguments are 100% emotional. Which is ironic because that has always been what they accuse their opponents of.

[Clutch Munny]

Pfft. Emotional means crying, not all angry and violent and knowing what I know, no matter what the facts are. See? You don't know what emotional means! Whatcha going to do, crybaby -- cry about it?

[freemonkey]

lol, funny, because we did get one guy to actually admit that he was fearful and that it was irrational. But he's still standing by his fears because they are "real", even though what he's basing his fears on is not real.

[BrotherMan]

[LadyShea]

Hartselle City Schools Board of Education: Deny a live shooting drill at F.E. Burleson Elementary

[LadyShea]

3 shot at Phoenix office complex; 3 others go to hospital

One gunshot victim is in extremely critical condition, according to The Associated Press. Two others shot had less severe injuries. The nature of the injuries of the other three victims was not detailed.

People inside the building in north-central Phoenix said the incident appeared to be over. The building has been evacuated and officers are sweeping the area. Police say the shooter is not in custody.

[Ymir's blood]

LISA! Tell us what the shooter was!