Transformers Mafia - Game Thread - Page 51

Adam · #**1251** 03-17-2010, 04:00 PM

Unless we have a very high degree of certainty that the person we're lynching is scum, I think it's probably a good idea to buy the extra day, with the extra round of night views, etc., that entails.

Ensign Steve · #**1252** 03-17-2010, 04:00 PM

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Something else that bothers me is the apparently extra kill on Night 1. If slim shot at liv, then who killed Demi? Is there a second vig? Do the scum have a way to attempt two kills? It's possible that either I was ninja'd or slim and Demi were swapped on Night 1 (I was all up in slim's grill on Day 1, so I could see them ninja'ing me to keep me off him Night 1), meaning that I actually saw Demi shoot at liv, and that would also make sense of mine and Kael's views, but I dunno why Demi would take a shot at liv.

I dunno either. I'm more inclined to believe that you saw slim take a shot at someone, considering that he is proved to be Megatron. IMO it boils down to someone switched Demi and liv, or someone protected liv and a second shooter got Demi. I don't know what that means for Kael's view, though, unless he was naive or blocked or something. It's very weird. But I really want to believe that the shot you saw was Megatron's shot, because that seems the least complicated. lol.

Ensign Steve · #**1253** 03-17-2010, 04:02 PM

I'm just going to have to take your word, bey. You know how I shut down when you start firing numbers at me like that. It's your power, use it as you will. I'm glad it's yours and not mine, since I obviously don't know how to deal with it. I appreciate your coming to the town to ask, but once again I have no opinion. Between you and Adam I think y'all have the skillz to work it out.

Adam · #**1254** 03-17-2010, 04:02 PM

Oh, I didn't think of a liv/Demi swap. Good catch. That implies a town bus driver, since the scum presumably wouldn't swap their own targets.

Ensign Steve · #**1255** 03-17-2010, 04:06 PM

I thought of some other scenarios, but they start making less and less sense. Like maybe liv hid behind Demi, or maybe Demi protected liv by taking the hit somehow. None of that jibes with their card-flips, though, so I'm really just thinking out loud at this point.

Contrapposto · #**1256** 03-17-2010, 04:08 PM

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I guess I'm awaiting Gonzo as well. But honestly I don't know what he'd say as an Autobot. Even Kael probably got a bad read, unless slim really did do nothing that first night, which seems kinda unlikely for the scum leader.

do you have me on ignore?

what if slim being megatron was used for the kill but took no action himself. there are different kinds of trackers and watchers. they can see different kinds of things.

Also. If we are keen on the jack-of-all-trades role itself being a reason as to why liv had protection then we must also consider the correlating role for slim....that being a "BOMB".

Also keep in mind that slim not being able to kill 'directly' at night (like some are assuming) does not mean that there aren't goons who did his biding (godfather role) or the 'kill' happened simply by vote or consencus.
This could explain why he took no direct action at night. It also throws off investigations if he were a godfather. (because technically he did nothing at night). He did have a big suprise however for any 'vig' that targeted him.
So I'm assuming Demi took no action night 1 which is not unreasonable.

This puts Adams story, about the "bolt of energy" coming from slim, under serious scrutiny, imo.

It is still possible that Gonzo was telling the truth under the scenario that HE might have been blocked or disrupted, imo. Kael simply tried to investigate the leader who only gave orders by PM....not acting directly which would explain his "no actions" read.

I am still looking at the 'set up' theory regarding slim and Adam working together in yesterday's shenanigans.

Contrapposto · #**1257** 03-17-2010, 04:09 PM

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Oh, I didn't think of a liv/Demi swap. Good catch. That implies a town bus driver, since the scum presumably wouldn't swap their own targets.

Are you ignoring me Adam?.....I stated that more than once in day two.

Contrapposto · #**1258** 03-17-2010, 04:12 PM

Regarding the 'slim/Adam working together' theroy...I'm still cautious about going strong with that one.
Open to other input.

It's still possible he was the 'tracker' to kael's 'watcher'....two roles that work in tandem in a game gleaning different info about the same target(s).

Contrapposto · #**1259** 03-17-2010, 04:17 PM

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Regarding the 'slim/Adam working together' theroy...I'm still cautious about going strong with that one.
Open to other input.

It's still possible he was the 'tracker' to kael's 'watcher'....two roles that work in tandem in a game gleaning different info about the same target(s).

...but I'm still not totally convinced about "the bolt energy"....or the "grenade" for that matter until the first one gets worked out.

Crumb · #**1260** 03-17-2010, 04:26 PM

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Dl you and I appear to be on the same page here.

We do, except for the minor fact that I'm thinking of lynching you. :lol:

Why did you vote for Adam and not slim yesterday?

Well yes. I am not sure if I should go ahead and claim my role. I'd like to see if Gonzo knows it. You can tell them what you got Gonzo. I wish I could communicate it to all you except Gonzo so that it could clear me for sure.

So here is what I got: (please let me know if I am missing anything)

JA - suspect
ES - suspect
bey - Claim Optimus Prime - Can demo a claimed ability quite publicly
Adam - Claim "watcher" (or something like that) Caught slim night one, blocked last night by grenade
Crumb - Name known to Gonzo.
Gonzo - Claim "cop"
Dl - suspect

So I bet that the scum are among you three... :chin:

Crumb · #**1261** 03-17-2010, 04:26 PM

Oops Contra - suspect

make that four

Ensign Steve · #**1262** 03-17-2010, 04:27 PM

You're missing Controposto I think, Crumb.

Ensign Steve · #**1263** 03-17-2010, 04:27 PM

There ya go!

Ensign Steve · #**1264** 03-17-2010, 04:30 PM

You guys, who should come out first with Crumb's name? Crumb or Gonzo? I'm inclined to believe them both, so it doesn't matter to me. In fact, maybe they should keep it quiet to avoid giving scum more info? There's two townies who share the same piece of info that could be used to counter a scum claim if they keep it to themselves.

Crumb · #**1265** 03-17-2010, 04:37 PM

It might be better to keep it quiet at this point. We've had so many role claims.

Adam · #**1266** 03-17-2010, 04:43 PM

If they out with it, I would think Gonzo should go first. I'm trying to account for all possible scenarios in my head, but if Gonzo is lying, it's too easy for him just to agree with whatever Crumb says if Crumb goes first, I think.

I dunno that it really matters, though. If they accuse each other of lying, then we have to lynch one or the other to test it.

Adam · #**1267** 03-17-2010, 04:44 PM

Bey, is your power a one shot or can you use it every day?

beyelzu · #**1268** 03-17-2010, 04:45 PM

Its a one shot. I could I suppose wait until tomorrow, but I would have to be alive and although I think I will survive, I of course can't be sure.

Ensign Steve · #**1269** 03-17-2010, 04:46 PM

Yeah I think they should keep it under wraps for now. Gonzo only offered to come forward with it to clear Crumb if necessary, and I don't think it's necessary at this point.

Contrapposto · #**1270** 03-17-2010, 05:26 PM

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You're missing Controposto I think, Crumb.

Not missing Crumb...I just don't think he is decepticon...after all slim did try to throw him under the bus. Although that would be quite a grand design if he were in on it. However...I have Crumb cleared because he seriously questioned my bringing Kael to L-1, for being so quiet, on Day 1...Dl did too for that matter (but I need to read back)...Kael was Autobot so why would either of them question bringing an Autobot to L-1?....this makes me feel pretty confident about Crumb for certain.....and pretty good about Dl as well. Why wouldn't either of them just let it happen if Kael were at L-1? He was found to be very useful to our current investigation, imo.

JA - I suspect for hunting for 'protector' / 'vig' roles (a scum tactic)

ES - Suspect: voted / unvoted a total of 7 times in day 2 (more than anyone else - it is a scum tactic to 'vote jump') See #824;#848;#854;#860;#924;#1019;#1039 (final vote).

^^both were also right in the middle of the vote - where scum would want to be by some of your accounts when we were arguing about "bandwagons".

Adam - I'm still grappling with the "bolt of energy" you claim. Also your PM's seem 'too detailed' to me.."grenade" reinforces this, imo. Sounds a bit like story writing to me but I could be wrong so you are 3rd on the list.

Dl - extremely mild / cleared (why so argumentative?)
Gonzo - extremely mild / cleared (cop claim)
bey - cleared (optimus claim)
Crumb - cleared after reading turn of events

Gonzo, are your PM's as detailed as Adam's....are anyone's?

Ensign Steve · #**1271** 03-17-2010, 05:27 PM

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You're missing Controposto I think, Crumb.

Not missing Crumb...I just don't think he is decepticon...

I wasn't talking to you. That's what the comma is for.

Contrapposto · #**1272** 03-17-2010, 05:29 PM

Gonzo's the "flavor cop"

cleared

Crumb · #**1273** 03-17-2010, 05:37 PM

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JA - I suspect for hunting for 'protector' / 'vig' roles (a scum tactic)

I followed the links on this yesterday and I'm not really convinced that he was hunting too much. The fact that he is so damned quiet in this game is what has me suspecting him. With all that is going on can't you find something to talk about JA?

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ES - Suspect: voted / unvoted a total of 7 times in day 2 (more than anyone else - it is a scum tactic to 'vote jump') See #824;#848;#854;#860;#924;#1019;#1039 (final vote).

^^both were also right in the middle of the vote - where scum would want to be by some of your accounts when we were arguing about "bandwagons".[/quote]
This is not as convincing to me for two reasons. (1) I have done a lot of vote hopping myself in the past when I was perfectly innocent. it can be a sign of indecision and confusion as much as being scum. (2) Vote parking is just as much a scummy tactic as hopping. I know because I did both last game when I was scum

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Adam - I'm still grappling with the "bolt of energy" you claim. Also your PM's seem 'too detailed' to me.."grenade" reinforces this, imo. Sounds a bit like story writing to me but I could be wrong so you are 3rd on the list.

I think Adam is about 80% cleared. We haven't really gotten comparable views from anyone so I'm not sure we can compare the details.

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Dl - extremely mild / cleared (why so argumentative?)

Not cleared. :nope:

I think the frequent lapses in his understanding of some posts this day is evidence that he is not really paying much attention to actual arguments. This is also something I did as scum.

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Gonzo - extremely mild / cleared (cop claim)

Not cleared, but given the benefit of the doubt at this time considering the claim.

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bey - cleared (optimus claim)

More cleared than Gonzo that's for sure, Optimus is a big claim. But still just pending some kind of verification.

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Crumb - cleared after reading turn of events

can't really help you with this. I am 100% for me.

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Gonzo, are your PM's as detailed as Adam's....are anyone's?

This is a good question, but Gonzo is getting a report from his servants and not witnessing events for himself so I could see him having a different experience.

Crumb · #**1274** 03-17-2010, 05:38 PM

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Gonzo's the "flavor cop"

cleared

Again a claim should not clear someone. Anyone can make a claim and scum will. Like Slim did.

Ensign Steve · #**1275** 03-17-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Contrapposto

JA - I suspect for hunting for 'protector' / 'vig' roles (a scum tactic)

ES - Suspect: voted / unvoted a total of 7 times in day 2 (more than anyone else - it is a scum tactic to 'vote jump') See #824;#848;#854;#860;#924;#1019;#1039 (final vote).

^^both were also right in the middle of the vote - where scum would want to be by some of your accounts when we were arguing about "bandwagons".

Adam - I'm still grappling with the "bolt of energy" you claim. Also your PM's seem 'too detailed' to me.."grenade" reinforces this, imo. Sounds a bit like story writing to me but I could be wrong so you are 3rd on the list.

You don't have to make up bullshit reasons to suspect people when so many are cleared. Just say you suspect them because they're not cleared. I've never been afraid to move my vote around when new information comes to light, despite its being a so-called "scum tactic". My vote was on both Lees and slim when they got lynched, both successful town lynches. And I suspected both of them early in the day that they got lynched on*, I didn't hop on the wagon after their lynch was a foregone conclusion. (I mention the day of because I had cleared slim on day one before we got night one info.)

I suspect Joshua Adams and Controposto, because they have not been cleared.

I also have not been cleared and I understand why I belong on everybody's short list.

So I'm going to say the same shit I said last time. Nothing the three of us says matters. Nobody has any reason to listen to us, when they can collaborate with known cleared people. All we can really do is sit back and hope they make the right choices.

Bey, can you just declare nightfall whenever you feel like it?