Is it OK to punch a Nazi in the head?

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Originally Posted by mickthinks

And of course it is more complicated than that puerile commentary suggests.

I think deep expansive thoughts after page 2-3 is against the rules of the internet somewhere.

[ZEZOZE]

i'm ok with being a centrist. that cartoon was obviously not written by someone who is balanced. it's over the top and silly.

aren't you Canadian KH? why do so many of you embrace this American nonsense?

here's how this centrist sees it...

after suffering serious butt-hurt having lost to Trump, the Left decided to start screaming "Nazi!" in desperation. Maybe if we equate Trump and his supporters to Hitler and gang, somebody will do something. But the humongous majority of Trump supporters and Trump himself are not Nazis. Still, the media saw Nazis as a hot topic and next thing you know Nazis are a hot topic in media and outlets like Vice start doing reports on these fringe groups that were in existence before Trump came to power.
Emboldened by hearing their name the Nazis came out to play and start showing up to things, much to the delight of the extreme left who has been waiting for an opportunity to start laying the smack down in retaliation for Trump being elected.

That's pretty much how i see it. I see the nazi problem totally blown out of proportion. Of course you don't agree with me, but i'm just a loser centrist trying to figure out why both sides are becoming insane assholes determined to increase the divide.

you should stick to being Canadian, KH. stop feeding the nonsense and don't bring it up here. I would make the same suggestion to any of my Canadian friends who support right-wing extremists like the Proud Boys.

[erimir]

Why are you talking about this yourself, you dirty Canuck?

Even if we suppose that your narrative about the Nazis was accurate (it isn't), that doesn't explain why Trump responded to it so badly. It's the easiest gimme in politics to say "Nazis are bad, full stop." Instead he said some of them were "very fine people."

There's no shining that turd, and your attempts to do so are pathetic.

I understand you like being contrarian, but don't whine when your contrarianism results in people saying there's no point in talking to you, dismissing you as high or telling you to fuck off.

Normally, you're just irritating, but you're trying to defend Trump for saying nice things about Nazis, which is bad even for you. Therefore...

Fuck off, ZEZOZE. Seriously.

[ZEZOZE]

Originally Posted by erimir

I understand you like being contrarian, but don't whine when your contrarianism results in people saying there's no point in talking to you, dismissing you as high or telling you to fuck off.

i understand you like wearing short skirts, but don't whine when people start saying you're a slut.

see? you're no different, really.

show me where i defended Trump or said something nice about Nazis. i open that challenge to anyone in this thread.

crazy shit. people are so angry.

i still like you, erimir. seriously.

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by ZEZOZE

i'm ok with being a centrist. that cartoon was obviously not written by someone who is balanced. it's over the top and silly.

aren't you Canadian KH? why do so many of you embrace this American nonsense?

here's how this centrist sees it...

after suffering serious butt-hurt having lost to Trump, the Left decided to start screaming "Nazi!" in desperation. Maybe if we equate Trump and his supporters to Hitler and gang, somebody will do something. But the humongous majority of Trump supporters and Trump himself are not Nazis. Still, the media saw Nazis as a hot topic and next thing you know Nazis are a hot topic in media and outlets like Vice start doing reports on these fringe groups that were in existence before Trump came to power.
Emboldened by hearing their name the Nazis came out to play and start showing up to things, much to the delight of the extreme left who has been waiting for an opportunity to start laying the smack down in retaliation for Trump being elected.

That's pretty much how i see it. I see the nazi problem totally blown out of proportion. Of course you don't agree with me, but i'm just a loser centrist trying to figure out why both sides are becoming insane assholes determined to increase the divide.

you should stick to being Canadian, KH. stop feeding the nonsense and don't bring it up here. I would make the same suggestion to any of my Canadian friends who support right-wing extremists like the Proud Boys.

At the "Unite the Right" protest, there were literal Nazis, White Nationalists, and other extreme nationalist elements.

So, the problem I have here:

The nationalists are wrong, period. There is no "middle ground" - the "center" of this issue still has no measure of agreement with the premise of these extremists. Even the mainstream conservatives have no agreement with the fundamental premises of the White Nationalists.

What do you do? You can either give them an escape route, or you can resist them, and each action has it's purpose.

White Nationalism doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and it's a weak position from fear. If people think they will be confronted for nationalist views, they stay confined to a tiny minority. That's the utility of punching Nazis.

...but people need a way out of the irrationality and fear, and they need to be able to find people who are willing to help them get out. The key point here: You don't need to find a middle ground to show someone you care. You don't need to accept any part of their premises to let them know they deserve peace and love.

What don't you do? Pretend that the White Nationalists have any validity in modern social discourse - there were no "good people" protesting there, only people standing up for hate and fear.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by ZEZOZE

i understand you like wearing short skirts, but don't whine when people start saying you're a slut.

"Saying there's no point in discussing things with someone after years of interacting with them because you think they don't engage in good faith is, like, the same as yelling slut at random women based on their clothing, man."


Like I said, fuck off with this stupid shit.

show me where i defended Trump

Here you go.

Originally Posted by ZEZOZE

Trump is not a nazi or a sympathizer.

Saying some participants of a Nazi march are "very fine people" sounds pretty sympathetic to me.

[ZEZOZE]

that isn't defending Trump. sorry, Charlie.

[ZEZOZE]

Originally Posted by specious_reasons

What don't you do? Pretend that the White Nationalists have any validity in modern social discourse - there were no "good people" protesting there, only people standing up for hate and fear.

oh i totally disagree. everyone in society should be allowed to participate in modern social discourse in order to better our modern social mores. that is how you get rid of idiots like white nationalists.

by the way...you offered an escape route. escape from what?

[ZEZOZE]

Originally Posted by erimir

Saying some participants of a Nazi march are "very fine people" sounds pretty sympathetic to me.

hey i just realized you used actual quotes...so find where i said it.

[erimir]

Donald Trump said that. He said that there were "very fine people" on "both sides." One side being the Nazi marchers.

So does this mean you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about? Sounds plausible.

[ZEZOZE]

but there were people there who didn't identify themselves as nazis and who might have been fine (in a right-leaning way) people.

again- Trump being an unfiltered opportunist.

[erimir]

And now you're not just defending Trump, but the people who marched with Nazis.

QED.

Fuck off.

[ZEZOZE]

i think it was more a case of nazis seeing an opportunity and marching with them.

i don't vote to the right btw...well, i have, but usually i vote Green.

ftr.

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by ZEZOZE

oh i totally disagree. everyone in society should be allowed to participate in modern social discourse in order to better our modern social mores. that is how you get rid of idiots like white nationalists.

by the way...you offered an escape route. escape from what?

Oh, they can participate, but that doesn't mean they have any validity. White Nationalism is based on fear and hate, nothing more. Any attempt to dress it up is simply polishing the turd.

Escape from the White Nationalist culture - some people don't want to be White Nationalists, but they will stay if they don't know how to get out.

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by ZEZOZE

i think it was more a case of nazis seeing an opportunity and marching with them.

i don't vote to the right btw...well, i have, but usually i vote Green.

ftr.

The organizer is a white nationalist, and he specifically invited White Nationalist organizations.

[It's Me!]

https://www.facebook.com/MasterAmeri...1449481284129/

[ZEZOZE]

Originally Posted by specious_reasons

The organizer is a white nationalist, and he specifically invited White Nationalist organizations.

who used to be a liberal...

Organizer of Charlottesville's Unite the Right rally described as onetime wannabe liberal activist | Virginia | richmond.com

[specious_reasons]

Originally Posted by ZEZOZE

who used to be a liberal...

Organizer of Charlottesville's Unite the Right rally described as onetime wannabe liberal activist | Virginia | richmond.com

"Liberal"

(emphasis mine)

In an interview last month, one of Kessler’s childhood friends, David Caron, said Kessler previously had identified as a Democrat, but became disillusioned when he started thinking that there was no place for him in a party that has focused its efforts on embracing diversity and minority issues. He said the two of them had started supporting Trump last summer and attended one of his rallies in Richmond.

[Stephen Maturin]

Anyone who self-identifies as having been "red-pilled" these days is virtually certain to be a nazi.

[Kael]

You mean we may have pushed away voters who wanted more progressive economic policies because we refused to shove aside, or even politely marginalize, colored people, Jews, and gays? How could we have been so blind?!

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Anyone who self-identifies as having been "red-pilled" these days is virtually certain to be a nazi.

"Based" is another one. Or in many cases, slapping "Alpha" on a tweet.

Lotta crossover in MRA/PUA, alt reich, and surprisingly skeptic communities.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Anyone who self-identifies as having been "red-pilled" these days is virtually certain to be a nazi.

One thing I find particularly bizarre about this is that this terminology comes from a film written and directed by two anarchist trans women. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.

[Ari]

'I'm a centrist, that's why I'm making up strawman liberals and blaming the left for the tiny tiny minority that is the black bloc, while also making up fictional "good people" at a protest organized by white supremacists to keep a statue of a white supremacist because of their white supremacist heritage... because I'm a centrist!' -Pseudo Centrists

It's of course easy to be a centrist when none of it affects you. Lazy even, especially when the news media will spoon feed you centrist opinions. (oh wait, sorry I forgot the media that blames liberals for any violence but gives the right a pass because it's just 'a few bad apples' is liberal… fox news told me so).

The idea that liberals were just sitting, waiting, fuming, until white supremacists got into power before jumping into action is hilarious and so wrong It's obvious you're just making shit up.

How do I know this? Cause some of them are my friends, or friends of friends. I don't live that far away from Berkeley and know people who ended up with blood on their clothes because they were working EMT at the 'riots' which you only know about based on what the news feeds you (hint, they weren't riots).
Others are part of national organizations promoting different liberal ideas from better drug laws (including legalizing pot in California, I know that should get your attention) to queer and POC outreach. Every single one of them was busy with other shit before this and are annoyed at Trump and the Nazi resurgence because it's taking them away from the projects they love. In some cases Trump may cost them their jobs working for the government as he cuts regulations. You suddenly lose your centrism when things actually impact you and people you love. When the right wants to actively kill, torture or deport your friends it's hard to stay unbiased. Strangely these same friends you blame as being equal *don't* want to kill, torture or deport the alt-right.

Many centrists seem to be more afraid of showing any sort of bias than being accurate or on the right side of history (some are calling this the southpark effect, where it's seen as more moral to just stay in the middle than have a drive or personal opinion). Amusingly the alt-right knows this and is playing the centrists like a fiddle by feeding them with bullshit they can use to pretend to be unbiased because they know no matter how violent and dangerous the right actually get, all they need to do is tell the centrists the left is being mean too and the centrist will step back and let it happen because there's bad people "on both sides".

The news is playing you too. While everyone treats this like it's right vs left it's also establishment vs anti-establishment and the news is very very establishment. Even 'liberal' news will happily shit on liberals if they aren't doing things the proper establishment way. Hence the new's focus on the black bloc and 'liberal violence' when a handful of them show up, smash something and disappear, because that's not properly following the establishment.

It's pretty safe to say that not only are you a pseudo-centrist but an establishment defending pseudo-centrist at that given the amount of bullshit you've had to make up to defend your position.

[ZEZOZE]

The news is playing me? lol. More like paying me.

[erimir]

If you have any editorial control of anything, they should fire you if you bring this level of analysis to your work.