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that is absolutely insane. apparently the creep being discussed was also just, like, fully nonsensical. like, claims include that US GIs went to WWII because of how hunky the Nazis were. also that I Want To Hold Your Hand (1964) was the first song about hand-holding. (Note: 1953 was when Tom Lehrer did I Hold Your Hand In Mine, which is a song which is not only about hand-holding, but which is only funny if hand-holding is an extremely well-trodden topic for songs.)
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Old 12-06-2023, 04:00 PM
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But again, how people choose to spend their money and where they do so is not up to people who scream bigot at the top of their lungs.
Wut? Do you think people are being forced to spend money on trans products?

Seriously, victimized by my own imagination, should be the name of a christian rock group.
The "gays" made me buy Bud Light!
If you enjoy the taste of your own urine I’ll buy you a case. I’ll probably get a rebate anyway.
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Old 12-06-2023, 09:23 PM
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How do you know how their urine tastes? :chin:
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Old 12-06-2023, 10:27 PM
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How do you know how their urine tastes? :chin:
I don’t. But I know what bud light tastes like and piss HAS to taste better.
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Old 12-06-2023, 10:43 PM
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How do you know how their urine tastes? :chin:
I don’t. But I know what bud light tastes like and piss HAS to taste better.
Well, I would not bet on that.
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I can think of no objection to Miss Shelby's conclusion here.

Nobody disagrees on everything.
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How do you know how their urine tastes? :chin:
I don’t. But I know what bud light tastes like and piss HAS to taste better.
Well, I would not bet on that.
The taste and smell of urine is highly dependent on diet. And how much fluid one is drinking. Or beer.
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And asparagus.
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I watched an interview where the interviewee went by the pronouns of they them. But she kept referring to herself in the first person, I. The interviewer kept referring to her has they and them and using they’ve and their. For consistency sake shouldn’t they have been referring to themselves as we?
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I watched an interview where the interviewee went by the pronouns of they them. But she kept referring to herself in the first person, I. The interviewer kept referring to her has they and them and using they’ve and their. For consistency sake shouldn’t they have been referring to themselves as we?
It's a singular "they."
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Old 12-26-2023, 04:33 PM
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I watched an interview where the interviewee went by the pronouns of they them. But she kept referring to herself in the first person, I. The interviewer kept referring to her has they and them and using they’ve and their. For consistency sake shouldn’t they have been referring to themselves as we?

No. "they" has been used in the singular in English since at least the 1600s. Not very often, but it's definitely always been there.
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Old 12-26-2023, 04:41 PM
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I believe the royal We is when a monarch is pissing for both themselves and God.
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I watched an interview where the interviewee went by the pronouns of they them. But she kept referring to herself in the first person, I. The interviewer kept referring to her has they and them and using they’ve and their. For consistency sake shouldn’t they have been referring to themselves as we?
No. For the same reason that, when one person is talking to another person, using "you" (formerly second-person plural, but also second-person singular since the deprecation of second-person singular "thee" and "thou"), that other person nevertheless refers to themself as "I" or "me."
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Just recently, in fact:
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I watched an interview where the interviewee went by the pronouns of they them. But she kept referring to herself in the first person, I. The interviewer kept referring to her has they and them and using they’ve and their. For consistency sake shouldn’t they have been referring to themselves as we?
I kind of love how the dumbest subliterate motherfuckers on the planet have to try real hard to worry about grammatical number now.
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Old 12-26-2023, 06:37 PM
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Au contrarie Chuck, we don’t hafta “try real hard” at all. Sublitteracy comes naturally to some of us.
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I think the real confusion is that while we've often used "they" in the singular for indefinite parties (e.g., "any English teacher who allows singular they should lose their teaching license", emphasis mine), but it feels weird using it for definite parties.

And it does feel weird, at first. Took me easily a couple of months to get used to it.
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I believe the royal We is when a monarch is pissing for both themselves and God.
I always thought it was because they speak on behalf of the entire country/nation/empire. But what do I know.
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I've always thought myself fairly competent with the language, but, I have also always played fast and loose with pronouns. I seldom use a gender determination unless I am quite positive and/or believe that it will matter to the
to the participants in the conversation.
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I once ended up having to consult with the linguistics channels of two discords in an ultimately futile attempt to misgender the kid. It can be surprisingly hard.

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I think the real confusion is that while we've often used "they" in the singular for indefinite parties (e.g., "any English teacher who allows singular they should lose their teaching license", emphasis mine), but it feels weird using it for definite parties.

And it does feel weird, at first. Took me easily a couple of months to get used to it.
Great point, for real.

My real-life anecdotal experience: I was talking to a friend who recently got a new roommate, and I didn't know anything about them yet, so I asked something generic like "are they cool" and she answered "yes they are" because it turns out they use they/them pronouns. And it bumped me. When I accidentally used the correct pronoun, it felt totally natural, because it was in the indefinite way. But when she answered with the same pronoun in the definite way, it bumped.

This stuff takes a bit to get used to is all. But anyone can get it if they try.
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Actually I think I still have that wrong, with the definite/indefinite distinction, because I was referring to a specific person, not some abstract hypothetical teacher. :chin:
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I saw a thing once which was an older guy who did sports broadcasting, talking about how he doesn't get this gay stuff, and gender stuff, and so on, and then continuing on to "But also it doesn't matter whether I understand it. It's not my job to understand it. It's my job to treat people decently and with respect."
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Actually I think I still have that wrong, with the definite/indefinite distinction, because I was referring to a specific person, not some abstract hypothetical teacher. :chin:
No, it's pretty much the same - even if you know there is a specific person, their gender is indefinite to you at that point, and it is as you say quite natural to refer to them (oh look I just did) as "they".

And I think this is appropriate - non-binary people are in general (I assume, I haven't checked with all of them) saying my gender should be indefinite to you all the time.
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