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mulebear · #26 05-25-2011, 08:27 PM

This might be of interest.

http://www.logotv.com/video/bear-run...playlist.jhtml

At first you may wonder what this has to do with gender issues, but stick with it and you'll understand. Bear Run is a small documentary that follows three individuals who identify with being a Bear. It also explores issues of sexuality, gender, masculinity, societal pressure, and male intimacy.

lisarea · #27 05-25-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari

This is one reason I wanted the Gender option on FF. I occasionally forget genders online and people often get pissed off if you call them by the wrong gender.

I would just lol if someone got really mad that I mistook their gender on the internet.

(But I should also add that the main reason I call people by the wrong pronouns on purpose is to obfuscate all the times I do it on accident.)

Ensign Steve · #28 05-25-2011, 08:51 PM

I'm filling in a bunch of "salutations" on this mail merge spreadsheet, and I keep not knowing whether I should put Mr., Ms., or Dr., so if you have a gender-neutral name and I call you a doctor and you're not, it's not because I think you're smarter than you really are. :larrybounce:

LadyShea · #29 05-25-2011, 09:34 PM

Why are you doing that? Just forget the title and put in first and last name.

Dear Terry Smith

Ensign Steve · #30 05-25-2011, 09:46 PM

Wow, that's like borderline psychic. The one that was giving me trouble was Jerry Smith. :stunned:

Deadlokd · #31 05-26-2011, 06:24 AM

Thanks for the videos liv and mb. I'll have a look tomorrow. :thankee:

ZEZOZE · #32 05-26-2011, 06:47 AM

what's wrong with gender?

ZEZOZE · #33 05-26-2011, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lisarea

. Anything that makes so many stupid people mad is probably a worthwhile endeavor.

oh absolutely!

ZEZOZE · #34 05-26-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ITSOZAZ

what's wrong with gender?

and is it me or do a great deal of you seem to want everybody to be the same?

year zero!

Qingdai · #35 05-26-2011, 06:58 AM

Is it me or is someone still confused as to how to write a paragraph?

ZEZOZE · #36 05-26-2011, 06:59 AM

what's a paragraph?

when you fight using criticisms of grammar and sentence structure...you lose...even if you're right.

fragment · #37 05-26-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ITSOZAZ

and is it me

It's you.

ZEZOZE · #38 05-26-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by fragment

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Originally Posted by ITSOZAZ

and is it me

It's you.

it is. man.

Vivisectus · #39 05-26-2011, 10:46 AM

I was raised to treat gender as inconsequential. I am trying to do the same with my youngest, but she is point blank refusing to have any of it, and is a convinced sexist. There are boy-toys and girl-toys, and while she enjoys some of the boy ones in private, she is mortified at the thought of one of her girl-friends seeing them.

I have talked to her about it, but she remains unconvinced.

It reminds me of when my parents tried to ban violent and/or competitive games and toys. As a result I craved, CRAVED them both.

ZEZOZE · #40 05-26-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vivisectus

I was raised to treat gender as inconsequential.

you haven't seen my penis.

what's wrong with gender? one's not better than the other, but i just don't get this...

so this means no more fighting for women's rights?

lol...this is ridiculous.

Vivisectus · #41 05-26-2011, 11:18 AM

There is nothing wrong with it, but it is of no consequence to the choices you make - that is to say it should not put any restrictions on them. It has nothing to do with the physicality of it - merely with the stupidity of restricting someone's choices because of their plumbing.

Think about it again tomorrow when you are not stoned and it will be a lot simpler mate

ZEZOZE · #42 05-26-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivisectus

There is nothing wrong with it, but it is of no consequence to the choices you make - that is to say it should not put any restrictions on them. It has nothing to do with the physicality of it - merely with the stupidity of restricting someone's choices because of their plumbing.

Think about it again tomorrow when you are not stoned and it will be a lot simpler mate

that tomorrow never comes.

who said anything about restricting choices because of plumbing? what's wrong with being a man or a woman with equal access to them? why eliminate gender?

do people believe there is no difference in the way men and women behave? are we not animals? what's wrong with choosing as a man or a woman? equal rights for women shouldn't mean not being women...no?

Vivisectus · #43 05-26-2011, 01:13 PM

It mean no restrictions, which to me seems to be all anyone here is interested in.

Not no difference.

Clutch Munny · #44 05-26-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lisarea

Anything that makes so many stupid people mad is probably a worthwhile endeavor.

Yeah, this. Especially when their anger takes the form of Kenny-like inarticulate bleatings with a vaguely decipherable theme of "But what if this means that I'm not really a man (/woman/definitely understood and uncomplicated thing)?"

ZEZOZE · #45 05-26-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vivisectus

It mean no restrictions, which to me seems to be all anyone here is interested in.

Not no difference.

but hiding your gender isn't the way to do that and i think people are interested in things deep down in the souls they've forgotten they have. how's that for weed?

hiding your gender is an admission of defeat in regard to rights and opportunities. a women is not equal to a man, but the same as a man...and there is a difference.

but you know what? maybe it's an idea that could make a point. why don't all the people that agree with this, stop putting your gender on all forms you are required to fill out in life. but raising your child to be genderless or secretive about it is wrong in my eyes. what's wrong with raising strong men and women? let them have the choice to disregard the gender they were born, not choose to be what they already are.

oh well. back to the bong.

lisarea · #46 05-26-2011, 05:14 PM

Hey, look! That Dr. Drew guy found a psychologist who is even stupider and creepier than he is!

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

I just can't think of a better way to raise a kid to be weak and bully-prone than to actually make decisions based on the possibility that they might get bullied.

Watser? · #47 05-26-2011, 05:27 PM

My name is Sue, how do you do?

erimir · #48 05-26-2011, 05:39 PM

I think this thread should be named "Return to Gender Mountain"

Janet · #49 05-26-2011, 08:06 PM

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I just can't think of a better way to raise a kid to be weak and bully-prone than to actually make decisions based on the possibility that they might get bullied.

Wow, my parents chose all our names to minimize the possibility of bullying and I've always been grateful that they were that considerate. They even made an effort to make sure our initials weren't teasable. I have always planned to do the same if I ever have kids. Anyone with my genes and me as a mother is bound to be a misfit so I think it's my duty to minimize any additional teasability if I can.

By the way, practically all of us were teased mercilessly anyway and none of us sat down and took it.

erimir · #50 05-26-2011, 08:24 PM

I wasn't teased about my name, but I did hear the same damn joke like a million times ("Huh huh, like Super Mario Bros! It's a me, Mario! lolololol!!!!!!1!11111!")

But I like having a non-boring name, and so if I have children they will have cool names.

But I mean, there's a difference between not naming your kid Adolf or Phuc (actual Vietnamese name) or even Gaylord because you're concerned about teasing, and like, choosing not to name your kid Nelly (omg they'll be called Smelly Nelly!) or something ethnic/non-Anglo-Saxon or something like that.

I understand avoiding something really strange or resembling something offensive in English, but anything based on avoiding nameburns seems silly to me.