A Revolution in Thought: Part Two

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

hopefully for good.

[Spacemonkey]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Better than an animation, try this:

Human Benchmark - Reaction Time Test

Bump.

[davidm]

peacegirl is mentally ill and socially isolated by her own admission, and no one is doing her any good by pursuing this.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

Am I wrong? Can you do it or not?

You've said so many things, I don't know what you are referring to. So repeat it.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I do a lot of those things already, but my attention is focused on the book right now. You're right though, I should leave and I will shortly.

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

If you do a lot of those things already then you are not in need of socialization as you claimed. And then your willingness to seek out and derive satisfaction from the negative attention you admit you are seeking here can no longer be explained by a lack of socialization. Why are you deliberately seeking out negative attention here if you can socialize positively elsewhere? It would seem that you are not seeking negative attention because it is all that you can get, but rather that you are deliberately seeking out negative attention for its own sake. And that is not healthy at all.

I don't get out that often, even though I do some of the things you mentioned. I never discuss the book outside of the internet, which makes this communication quite different although unfortunately it's turned into a circus. If I had another forum to go to, I would, but it's too exhausting to start from scratch again, even though the audience might be more receptive and open-minded.

Originally Posted by Spacemonkey

You never answered my question: If you are still here and posting a month from today, will we then be justified in saying that you are indeed insane?

No, that word doesn't even apply although if I'm here in a month from now, with the same type of discussion going on, you have my permission to come over and throw my computer out the window.

[davidm]

peacegirl, you will be here a month from now, with the same type of discussion going on. In fact, since threads here are never locked, I predict, unfortunately, that you will be here for the rest of your life. And all to no purpose. You will never convince anyone that Lessans was right, because he was wrong.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by davidm

peacegirl is mentally ill and socially isolated by her own admission, and no one is doing her any good by pursuing this.

David, I thought you left already! What are you waiting for????

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Hallelujah!!!!!!! Good bye David! May we never meet again.

I think it is telling of her real nature that some one responds with some compassion and she reacts with hostility, however to be fair some of Davidm's post's have not been at all kind.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I don't get out that often, even though I do some of the things you mentioned. I never discuss the book outside of the internet, which makes this communication quite different although unfortunately it's turned into a circus.

My guess is that sometime in the past you have talked to friends and acquaintances about Lessans and you learned people's reaction to it. So you don't do it anymore because people do not usually shit in their own beds.

You somehow think the internet is anonymous and that nothing can be traced back to you but you have since learned better. People here know your name, the names of your family, where you live, where your family lives. You do not understand that what you are doing is not only mentally dangerous to you but can come back and hurt you and your family. You are being very reckless, selfish and thoughtless.

You understand that this conversation is going nowhere. You've known this for months, and yet you continue. I hope you will carefully examine what you have been doing, understand that you are being self destructive and get help.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

David, I thought you left already! What are you waiting for????

I'm not going to debate your father's nonsense with you any longer. There is nothing to debate. His book is a load of sociopathic, scientifically illiterate, misogynistic, homophobic, self-aggrandizing crap. Your father was a bad man.

I feel what happened here is that this cruel man indoctrinated you with this horror show since childhood. And here you are, talking to a bunch of strangers on the Internet who think you are nuts, and this is your own self-described "socialization."

Just think about how sad that is, peacegirl.

[But]

Originally Posted by davidm

Otherwise, according to Arthur C. Clarke anyway, our eyes could see radio light if they were several million times larger than they are.

No, that doesn't work. It's not just a matter of size. The radio waves won't trigger the chemicals in the retina, no matter how big the eyes are.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by But

No, that doesn't work. It's not just a matter of size. The radio waves won't trigger the chemicals in the retina, no matter how big the eyes are.

But this assumes that the chemicals in eyes evolved to be millions of times our size would be the same chemicals in our eyes, or work in the same way. What is the justification for this? Are you saying that no evolved organism could see radio light? If not, why not?

Finally, an interesting discussion itt. A couple of points:

Animals right here on earth can see in ultraviolet and infrared. Should we suppose that no organisms anywhere could evolve to see in the rest of the spectrum? If not, why not?

Another fascinating idea is what colors would be seen in the other spectrums. Birds can see more colors than we can; what do those colors look like?

Someone alert The Lone Ranger to weigh in.

[naturalist.atheist]

When you get up into the higher energies most things become transparent.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

When you get up into the higher energies most things become transparent.

So at most of what we call the non-visible spectrum, no eyes could evolve because there could be no interactions between those wavelengths and the hypothetical eyes?

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by davidm

So at most of what we call the non-visible spectrum, no eyes could evolve because there could be no interactions between those wavelengths and the hypothetical eyes?

Not all the non-visible, the high energy light. Biology is organic and when a high energy photon interacts with an organic molecule it is usually ionized.

[davidm]

Originally Posted by naturalist.atheist

Not all the non-visible, the high energy light. Biology is organic and when a high energy photon interacts with an organic molecule it is usually ionized.

Are there no conceivable arrangements of organic molecules that could successfully interact with high-energy light to produce sight?

I think animals with radio eyes would be very cool.

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by davidm

Are there no conceivable arrangements of organic molecules that could successfully interact with high-energy light to produce sight?

I think animals with radio eyes would be very cool.

It is not inconceivable that a species could detect radio. Birds are thought to be able to detect magnetic fields. The higher energy light is a problem. Most of it is classified as hazardous radiation. Even UV in high enough flux is hazardous. It can sterilize. It's not inconceivable that a species might adapt to it, but it may not be organic in the way we know it.

[davidm]

See, now this thread has suddenly become interesting.

[LadyShea]

Human Benchmark - Reaction Time Test

I averaged 262 milliseconds, and I am slow

No way could it take me a full second and quarter to click a button

[LadyShea]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I said there is a definite connection between the timing of neutrinos and photons, but the problem still exists as to how old these Supernova are, and whether we are seeing just an image from light, or whether we're seeing the real thing.

Doesn't matter how old it is. If the supernova was only one light year away (which would kill us all, but just for illustrative purposes), and, if we see in real time, then we would see the supernova 1 year earlier than we could detect the photons and neutrinos.

The further away the supernova, the longer the delay from visually seeing the supernova to when the photons and neutrinos could be detected.

You act like this is complicated. What part is confusing to you? What could you possibly mean by "the real thing"?

[LadyShea]

I never discuss the book outside of the internet

Why on Earth not? If you believe it is the truth, and the answer to world peace, why don't you discuss it with those close to you?

[davidm]

I propose we move the discussion to radio eyes and suchlike.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by davidm

Do you own a watch or a clock, peacegirl? Do you mean to say you can't tell the difference between 1.25 seconds and 2.50 seconds?

I believe that her clock has been stopped for quite some time now.

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I'm not going to stay. To be the brunt of these unwarranted attacks is insane.

Indeed!

Originally Posted by davidm

Hey, peacegirl, how come when we send a radio (light) message to Rovers on Mars, we have to wait for the response instead of receiving it instantaneously?

Why are you talking about radio? Some people like to listen to AM and some people like to listen to FM. What does that prove? Personally, I like to listen to talk radio and oldies rock stations. What do you like to listen to?

Originally Posted by peacegirl

I'm at my computer and this is the only website I am interacting with. I guess I'm in need of socialization, if you want to call it that. It must be true that negative attention is better than no attention. I've given up on explaining the book, so I do ask myself why I'm here and that's what I came up with.

So, you really are here for the hunting.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

Human Benchmark - Reaction Time Test

I averaged 262 milliseconds, and I am slow

No way could it take me a full second and quarter to click a button

216 milliseconds here, slowpoke.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by davidm

I propose we move the discussion to radio eyes and suchlike.

I believe that I read or heard once the eyes on Earth evolved to respond to the 'visible' part of the spectrum because that was the strongest part of the spectrum that reached the Earths surface. Perhaps eyes that evolve on other planets that receive different parts of the spectrum will respond the those parts of the spectrum. It would depend on where the eyes evolve to determine what is responded to.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Angakuk

What do you like to listen to?

My CD player, I can load it with the music I like.