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Old 10-14-2020, 05:26 PM
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Is it just an edgelord-style freeze peach thing, or does he actually contribute something important that I've missed?
The worst thing about him is that he has some truly awful people on the show and is just gullible enough to not push back very hard when they say ridiculous shit. Similar to Bill Maher in that way, in my opinion.

On the other hand one of the best Cornel West interviews I've seen was by Rogan, and that's mostly because Rogan just let Cornel go off for 2 hours. So at least people watching his show are exposed to some good content.
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Old 10-14-2020, 07:18 PM
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Frankly that’s how I think he gets viewers. I don’t think I’ve heard of a single person who became a fan of Rogen because they wanted to hear Rogen, but because he was interviewing someone they were a fan of. His interview style is to let people ramble and to generally agree, in the interviews I’ve seen, I’ve never seen him seriously grill anyone. This makes him quite popular with the counter-cult-culture who feel the mainstream interviewers conspire against whatever crazy idea they have, but Rogen is always totally into their fantasy, at least for the duration of the interview.

While I don’t think everyone who listens to him is dumb, I often describe him as what dumb people want smart people to sound like. That is, mostly agreeing with them, with a few bites of new information that ‘sounds goods’ to them.
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Old 10-14-2020, 08:09 PM
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I am skeptical about the value of having Cornel West on his show, though. I mean, it's great to just let West speak, but the fact that he's sharing a platform and an approach with people like Gavin McInnes and Alex Jones just plays into this absurd phenomenon where people like Rogan and other edgelords claim to be open minded, freethinking centrists of some sort. It's almost as though the other guests provide a sort of 'both sides' cover for the bald faced fascists and lunatics. Letting Cornel West speak is great. He doesn't need to be interrupted and fact checked every step of the way. That is not the case for many of his other guests.

This is a huge, major factor in the swing to the insane right going on now. Under the guise of freeze peach, platforms like Rogan's put lies and straight up hate speech on the same level as regular, thoughtful political discourse.

And Rogan himself is grossly uninformed, kneejerk authoritarian, and very much prone to spreading dangerous lies. He singlehandedly reignited that ridiculous story about Antifa setting wildfires in Portland just as the media and law enforcement had kind of gotten it tamped down, and it's not the first time he's passed along Facebook Grandpa shit like that, either.

He's an idiot, and while I'm sure not every one of his listeners is stupid, a lot of them are, and he's putting ideas in their heads.
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His interview style is to let people ramble and to generally agree, in the interviews I’ve seen, I’ve never seen him seriously grill anyone.
I harken back to Art Bell and all the weirdos he'd have on his show. It makes me sad to think his fun and interesting show might have been patient zero.
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Yeah, good points. I heard he did apologize for the misinformation about the wildfires but that might have only been on Twitter and not his show, so the horse and barn situation is probably relevant there. Also just skimming his guest list it does seem that he has a lot more right-wing reactionaries on than leftists, so yeah probably a net negative.
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Rogan is very much a safe space which is nicely ironic given how much many of his fans bitch and cry about ‘safe spaces.’ People can go on and rant about whatever their topic is with a receptive host, and feel comfortable in whatever their opinion is. Unfortunately without any other guidance the audience is left to wonder what’s real and what’s fantasy.

Which makes Rogen an excellent prejudice enforcer. Did you think his guest was an intelligent person everyone should be listening too? Then you probably will think the same after the show. Did you think they were a wingnut before, then you almost certainly still do after the show. Unfortunately with Rogen just nodding along, it means there are plenty of viewers that think the UFO expert and race haters are the intelligent voices and the scientists and historians are the crazy kooks.
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That's not Bongino four times, that's four separate posts by Dan Bongino being among the top "performing".
Quite: and it's Bongino's achievement that's being recorded here, not that of the individual posts. So, as a generator of high traffic to right wing websites, Bongino has topped the chart four times to Franklin Graham's one.

If these were albums, I'd hazard a guess (without actual quantities it is impossible to know) that Bongino had sold more than any of the others. So why have "facebook's top 10" chosen to obfuscate the one thing they seem to be trying to tell us?

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Remember the old days when we could enjoy a wholesome, old-timey story about a mayor resigning from office in disgrace following revelations that he engaged in sexting with a female reporter? Yeah, well, those days are gone for good, chief. Everything has a goddamn QAnon angle nowadays. Be sure to check out the message the reporter left on the mayor's voicemail. It's batshit gold.
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Old 10-15-2020, 08:32 PM
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Remember the old days when we could enjoy a wholesome, old-timey story about a mayor resigning from office in disgrace following revelations that he engaged in sexting with a female reporter? Yeah, well, those days are gone for good, chief. Everything has a goddamn QAnon angle nowadays. Be sure to check out the message the reporter left on the mayor's voicemail. It's batshit gold.
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If these were albums, I'd hazard a guess (without actual quantities it is impossible to know) that Bongino had sold more than any of the others. So why have "facebook's top 10" chosen to obfuscate the one thing they seem to be trying to tell us?

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Funnily enough, I've seen many more top-selling album lists than top-selling artist lists. Seems to me like both contain useful information while not giving the full picture. If your focus is on the user experience and interactions, listing by post seems like a legitimate choice rather than an obfuscation.
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This morning, I was trying to remember something I needed to tell Matlock, and it was driving me crazy because I was thinking it was important.

Finally, I remembered, and it was that.
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That's not Bongino four times, that's four separate posts by Dan Bongino being among the top "performing".
Quite: and it's Bongino's achievement that's being recorded here, not that of the individual posts. So, as a generator of high traffic to right wing websites, Bongino has topped the chart four times to Franklin Graham's one.

If these were albums, I'd hazard a guess (without actual quantities it is impossible to know) that Bongino had sold more than any of the others. So why have "facebook's top 10" chosen to obfuscate the one thing they seem to be trying to tell us?
I don't quite get what your complaint is here, but I will say that I happened upon some information yesterday that was relevant.

1. That Twitter account that gives the list of top performing posts is run by a tech reporter at the NY Times, so I'd consider it a generally trustworthy source after all.
2. The fact that conservative media/figures dominate the list is not a coincidence, nor is it likely to be due to relatively innocuous factors (perhaps left/liberal media is more fragmented, for example, making it more difficult for a single left/liberal source to top the chart)

It appears to be due to a conscious decision by Facebook, perhaps all the way up the chain to Zuckerberg himself, to coddle right-wing media even as they reduced traffic to other political content:
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Did JFK junior get in there?
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I don't quite get what your complaint is here ...
That's because it isn't a complaint at all, at least not about the list*. It is a request for help in understanding something that appeared to be being presented to me as evidence of something—" Part of the problem".

... but I will say that I happened upon some information yesterday that was relevant. ... The fact that conservative media/figures dominate the list ... appears to be due to a conscious decision by Facebook, perhaps all the way up the chain to Zuckerberg himself, to coddle right-wing media even as they reduced traffic to other political content:

Now I can begin to see what Kam (maybe) thought the tweet was exposing. Yet again I am in your debt, erimir!

But ...

I believe @ClaraJeffery is hyper-interpreting when she parses "left-leaning sies were affected more than previously planned" as "retooled their algorithm to throttle traffic to high-value progressive news orgs".

Nor is The List® a clear demonstration of Jeffery's claim or the WSJ's scoop. It could be, I guess, but I think we need to see a few more dots joined before we can be confident.

* I could complain that you and fragment seem not to have grasped the point that if a list doesn't name or idenitify the pages being linked, but merely the people providing the links, then it isn't a list of the pages; it's a strangely constructed list of the people.
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This is one of the main reasons Qanon pretends to be anti-trafficking.

Parents Of 545 Children Separated At U.S.-Mexico Border Still Can't Be Found : NPR

Back around that time, one of the lawyers representing parents recorded a call where she was trying to locate a child, and they admitted they didn't even have records of who the children in custody were separated from. They never intended to reunite them at all.

Note that this was also at the same time that the DeVos family's preferred child trafficking organization Bethany Children's Services was contracting with those facilities.

Don't anybody ever forget that.
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