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Old 09-01-2020, 02:33 AM
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I watched all 4-5 hours of the People's Party Convention yesterday. I agree with their platform and with most of what was said by most of the speakers, but I think their strategy is terribly misguided.

I know it sucks that we're encouraged to vote for the "lesser of two evils" every four years instead of having a candidate that's actually left of center, but this year really feels different to me.

I genuinely believe that if the Trump party manages to say in office the left is done in this country until such a time as their is a genuine revolution, and there could very well be a lot of blood before and during any such uprising.

Maybe it's because I'm identifying as a Socialist these days and having read The Jakarta Method recently I'm acutely aware of the danger of embracing that ideology in an autocracy, but I'm legitimately concerned.

I would have been way more enthusiastic about this convention if the overarching message had been "vote Trump out in November, push PP progressives in 2022 and maybe a PP candidate in 2024". In fact I kind of expected that to be the message when I saw that Cornel West was one of the key speakers because I know he's all about "building an antifascist coalition to push that neofascist gangster Trump out of the White House".

Anyway. Vote Biden. :usa:
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Old 09-01-2020, 02:48 AM
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No way is a brand new party going to bring everyone together!
The aims are obviously right: everybody needs health care and money in politics was always a bad idea. But it's far too abstract for most people to identify with - even if they had not been so ruthlessly, relentlessly brain-hosed by the capitalist ideology.
However excellent the seed, nothing will grow in hard-packed earth.
Got to do the spadework first.
Bernie Sanders has been working hard at that for a long time; other Democrats have their little patch here and there. This would be a good moment to acknowledge and reinforce those messages with a solid, practical list of proposals.
And then offer their support to the anti-Trump movement.
There are three emergencies at hand that must be tackled by the largest possible coalition you can muster, before any fancy new program can even be considered.
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It's a great feeling to know in my riding the Tories are outnumbered two to one by the NDP, Liberals, and Greens, and still manage to send to Ottawa they guy who thinks mental illness is cured with bootstraps.
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Oh yes, and proportional representation.
I'm voting Green in a riding so dimally PC that the last fathead* got more votes than the other four candidates combined, so if I'm wasting one anyway, it might as well be in the count as not-PC. But if a not-horrific candidate had a snowball's chance, I'd vote strategically.

(* Any theories why they run so many conservatives who look as if they came to power in that Orwell novel?)

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I don't see the poll.
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:LOL: Marianne Williamson. pass
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Well, there is going to be blood no matter what the outcome is. Period. Just expect it.

Trump's been ramping up the stochastic terrorism, and it's getting more blatant all the time. He just gave an interview with Laura Ingraham where he said that Biden was controlled by dark forces, and that there was a planeload of thugs dressed all in black spotted on a plane to DC, calling on Qanon and white supremacists.

There will be violence, period. People aren't going to magically deradicalize.

The best we can hope for is that Biden and Harris win in a landslide and we see a major blue sweep across the board, because that might tamp down some of the violence from the reactionary right. Then, we can clean up as much of the messes as possible right away with some functional pandemic response and lots of criminal investigations. And THEN, it'll be safe to protest for real progressive policies and work toward voting in some real progressive candidates in future elections who won't need to be watched as closely as most Democrats do.

And I'm just not on board with anything that has any potential to weaken support for getting Trump and his enablers voted out as clearly and as decisively as possible.
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Well, there is going to be blood no matter what the outcome is. Period. Just expect it.
Yes, we do. It's started already and can only escalate.
This evil clown has no boundaries - at all. He will do anything he thinks is required to stay in power, including a hostile takeover of Congress by armed redhats, if he can't hobble the election, subdue non-compliant cities, or get the armed forces to enforce martial law.

- That last one is what I'm holding my breath over. Could go either way.
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