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Writers Guild On Strike Against Hollywood Studios As Contract Talks With Fail – Deadline

In a world, with chatGPT, one bot, wrote everything:

During a writers strike, chatbots can be programmed to generate content that is similar in style and substance to what human writers would produce. This could be a game-changer for the media industry, where content creation is crucial to stay competitive. Chatbots could significantly reduce the impact of a writers strike, as they can create content much faster than a human writer could.

Now I know some of you might be worried about the quality of the content these chatbots will produce, but trust me when I say that we've come a long way in terms of AI technology. These chatbots are pretty darn good at mimicking human language and producing coherent and engaging content.

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The only problem Hollywood is going to have, is how to get paid if a bot writes everything. Who is submitting the script? Who gets paid?

More important, what name is on the writing credits?

If a bot can write it, anybody can take credit.
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Well, there will be some clown that feeds the parameters to bot to define what the thing is supposed to look like. I reckon that would be the person who gets the credit.

What I've seen the AI come up with so far only strikes me as potentially interesting just because you know that an AI bot produced the output. once you get past that, I don't see much worth putting stock in, just yet.
Though I have higher standards than The average TV-watching goober. [I like to think so, anyway.]



I'm waiting for them to pair up a couple of AI bots to try and produce some original Shticks worthy of George and Gracie, or Martin and Lewis, Smothers Bros, THEN I'll be impressed.
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AI generated beer commercial:

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Though I have higher standards than The average TV-watching goober. [I like to think so, anyway.]
Half the people who watch TV have higher standards than average!
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‘Hollywood’ in this case is the WGA and the WGA is on strike, so I doubt execs care how the new writers get paid so long as the machines keeps moving. In 2008 the writers strike caused some shows to shut down but others hired scabs and others produced more ‘reality’ TV who’s writers are the show runners.

There have to be enough Law and Order scripts made to produce an infinite amount of law and orders. Same goes for so many other procedural shows

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Inventive drinking methods, captures feeling drunk, fire, surprisingly little misogyny. 10/10

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Though I have higher standards than The average TV-watching goober. [I like to think so, anyway.]
Half the people who watch TV have higher standards than average!
That ain't necessarily so. Statistics can (and do) lie.
(I learned that watching TV.) :D
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I work in e-commerce in a Java/Spring environment. I work at a small business with about 50 employees total and report directly to the COO. I've been using it daily for 4 months, then demo'd it my COO. He was pretty skeptical and he did mention he's heard about it in the news but never tried it and didn't really know what it was.

We were on a screenshare so I gave him a demo and after a 2 hour conversation and blowing his mind multiple times, we immediately started using it to write email newsletters for us to free up the employee that hates doing it, rewrote/improved some poor verbiage on the website, and he told me to keep looking for ways we could use it to improve processes in the business.

He also mentioned he was going to show it to his wife who homeschools his kids and thought GPT would be good for that.

I showed him:
- Code generation
- Writing a nature poem in the style of Emily Dickinson, telling GPT to critique the poem while pretending to be an experienced critic from everypoet.org, then rewriting the poem using the criticisms it just generated
- Creating a practice exam from loose/sloppy notes to help with studying
- Asking it for help with excel
- Showed him a paper from arxiv where some researchers at Microsoft challenged GPT-4 to solve some very difficult problems
- Showed him a graph of test results after using GPT to answer standardized tests

I was fair and did mention it makes mistakes, so you still have to use your brain and verify/question everything it's telling you.

Also it's bizarre I'm posting this after 14 years.

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I asked it to write a JSON parser in modern C++ which maintains the object map keys in insertion order (jsoncpp does not do this, and there's a patch for it that does, but it sucks). The robot produced a bunch of placeholder code with the necessary function signatures, but with TODOs for all the implementations (lol just like a real engineer!). That was actually pretty helpful of it to at least generate a good starting place, but that's not even the best part.
I'm only familiar with java & javascript, but I've been breaking into powershell (I use windows for development) and python and exploring scripting/automation which for whatever reason I never did, and it's really reinvigorated my interest in this field. It's turned into a grind, but everything happening with AI is exciting.

I'm not sure what happened but in recent years I've lost confidence in myself and started feeling like I was never going to build those tools/sites/apps that would be really cool but imposter syndrome was preventing me from taking the steps. I'm feeling young and excited again.

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The only problem Hollywood is going to have, is how to get paid if a bot writes everything. Who is submitting the script? Who gets paid?

More important, what name is on the writing credits?

If a bot can write it, anybody can take credit.
Only matters if you are in the industry.

If you're just a consumer, why care?

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The only problem Hollywood is going to have, ...
Only matters if you are in the industry.

If you're just a consumer, why care?

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I noted it's the only problem HOLLYWOOD is going to have
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I just looked at what I am fairly confident was an AI attempt at negotiation of a contract. All of its revisions were facially plausible and very ordinary - the same things I see from counterparties all the time. They were also cohensively and consistently drafted, which one doesn't always see from counterparties.

However, in a few areas, it did rather miss the point. For example, it seems to have mistaken a recitation of a regulatory compliance requirement (i.e. you have to do this because it is required by law, and needs to appear on the face of our agreement if the regulators come looking) for a discrete contractual obligation (i.e. you have to do this because we want you to), and then garbled the specifics of the requirement itself in trying to negotiate the contractual obligation. So instead of "X years from this regulatory event", the AI proposes "Y years from this contractual event" - the regulatory event and contractual event may not be the same, and therefore the contract language no longer complies with the regulatory requirement.

In fairness to the AI, this is a fine point, and I see it pretty regularly from human negotiators who are not steeped in the regulatory environment. I even have standard educational language to explain the requirement, which I included in a comment back to the AI. I am looking forward to seeing if I trained it well in the next draft.
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There's a Turing test for ya. Is it AI, or just what we call a "Ctrl-F reviewer" - human enough, but incapable of critical thought, so they search on keywords and respond with various canned replies. Now that I think of it, I might end up preferring to negotiate with the AI.


Ooh! Next round, make it negotiate an indemnity clause. A big, honkin', Proustian maze.
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It did revise and indemnity, but in a fairly vanilla way, pulling from a standard industry model that everyone knows. I don’t love it but will also agree to it because it’s not worth the fight most of the time. I think it would be quite possible to entangle it in a spaghetti indemnity that a human reviewer would reject outright as needlessly complex. This was only the first round, but it was mainly additive rather than wordsmith-y.

However, along indemnity lines, in some areas it assumes that the parties are equally postured and tends towards reciprocity, even where that makes no sense within the context of the agreement. Some humans also do this because they think it’s more fair or whatever, but can actually lead to a party incurring obligations that it did not expect when anticipating its own performance, for no good reason or extra consideration.
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The top 20 jobs that GPT-4 will replace, as written by GPT-4

Software engineer not on the list. :phew:

Just like with Google and Stack Overflow, the difficulty isn't in copying and pasting the output, it's knowing what output to copy, and where to paste it.
To add to this, software engineers will always be needed (for now), because (1) we just get shuffled into doing higher level tasks as lower level tasks become automated (2) there will always be problems to solve in this universe that require some sort of human intervention in the form of a "software engineer" performing labor.

I've needed StackOverflow only a few times in the past 4 months when GPT, github copilot, and library documentation failed me. Otherwise, this shift in our workflow has pushed us more toward engineering instead of coding. There's more space and more need for architectural and strategic concerns instead of trying to figure out how to write a method that does XYZ when GPT and copilot can generate that for you, with rapidly increasing quality as this technology improves.

I presume there are either an infinite number of problems to solve in this universe that require human labor applied to a digital interface, or there are more problems to solve in this universe that require human labor than the homo sapien will ever be able to solve. This implies that a software engineer's existence will always be required to (1) identify the problem (2) formulate the steps required to solve the problem (3) carry out the labor to solve the problem.

If we ever reach the point where software engineers are no longer needed, that would imply the death of every other white collar job. The political and socioeconomic ramifications of that would involve complete and utter chaos as millions of people find themselves useless and without a job in this economy. It would lead to a total paradigm shift in our civilization as significant as the discovery of agriculture. Nobody knows what that would look like after all the chips fall, but it would be fun to speculate.
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Nobody knows what that would look like after all the chips fall, but it would be fun to speculate.
By all means, please do. :popcorn:
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The only problem Hollywood is going to have, is how to get paid if a bot writes everything. Who is submitting the script? Who gets paid?

More important, what name is on the writing credits?

If a bot can write it, anybody can take credit.
Only matters if you are in the industry.

If you're just a consumer, why care?

:P

I have a number of friends in the industry. So, while I may not be directly affected, many people for whom I care are going to be in the middle of it. That gives me reason for concern.

And, as a consumer, I lack the faith in the effective quality of output from Bots evolving that quickly.
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The political and socioeconomic ramifications of that would involve complete and utter chaos as millions of people find themselves useless and without a job in this economy.
The key words being "in this economy". Maybe an economic structure that requires everyone to be wage slaves to be useful isn't the best we can do.
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The political and socioeconomic ramifications of that would involve complete and utter chaos as millions of people find themselves useless and without a job in this economy.
The key words being "in this economy". Maybe an economic structure that requires everyone to be wage slaves to be useful isn't the best we can do.
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By all means, please do. :popcorn:
Pessimist: Late stage capitalism enters its final stage.

The rich become unfathomably rich, even more than they are now. AI automates away so many jobs that the only jobs left are an ever-shrinking number of blue collar jobs that are fought over by an ever-growing number of wage cucks fighting for scraps.

The government shrugs and neoliberals pay lip service. Conservatives blame <insert marginalized group> and rant about nobody wanting to work anymore.

The Department of Defense gets another budget increase to extract resources from third world countries and client states controlled by the American empire in order to keep The Machine going.

We witness our first beheading live on CNN as violent revolutionaries target landlords, CEOs, bankers, and politicians. Bezos flees to his bunker in New Zealand with his private army.

Elon gets in his Starship and tweets out "Cya nerds. We're starting a new, free, epic civilization on Mars called DogeCiv, with blackjack and hookers!!!! (haha get it, that's from Futurama, I'm so funny XD 420/69 please like my tweet)." The rocket blows up 15 seconds after ignition.

Optimist: Society transitions toward a solarpunk post-work utopia.

The widespread adoption of AI leads to the creation of a society defined by social equity, sustainability, and the well-being for all.

Renewable energy is embraced, buildings are constructed with environmentally friendly materials, vertical gardens, and green rooftops. Community spaces are revived to promote social interaction for the sake of it without needing to spend money on commodities in order to be legally allowed to exist there.

Car manufacturers and oil companies cry a river in front of Congress about how unfortunate they are as their profits shrink and unironically try to convince people that smog, lung cancer, road rage, 10-hour-a-week commutes, and running over your 5 year old daughter in an F450 Super Duty Bald Eagle Edition while she's drawing stick figures in the driveway is fundamental to a healthy American society.

Depression, anxiety, and all sorts of mental disorders magically fall to a record low. Therapists and life coaches selling get-rich-quick schemes find themselves without a job, go on UBI, then find something better to do with their time. The suicide hotline has a handful of people sitting around waiting for a call with nothing to do. They spend their time listening to music, playing card games, and eating snacks.

Education is free and abundant with single-digit class sizes. Teaching becomes a respected profession again. Schooling emphasizes personal growth, creativity, and social collaboration. The school counselor stops asking students what kind of wage cuck they want to become when they get older, but instead asks them what kind of experiences and adventures they want to go on when they get older.

Healthcare becomes preventative rather than reactive. Healthcare focuses on well-being instead of profitability. A holistic approach to medicine focuses not only on the body, but the mind and soul of every person. Doctors and hospitals focus on ensuring the ongoing health of an individual throughout their entire existence on this beautiful planet instead of seeing people once or twice a decade when they almost die or need to refill their anti-depressant prescription.

Government becomes decentralized. Communities work together to benefit all citizens instead of focusing on how to convince temporarily embarrassed millionaires to give up some of their scraps to someone with more money than they could spend in 1000 lifetimes. AI-powered decision making enables government to maximize benefits to all citizens instead of the 1% of the 1%. Social equity and happiness are prioritized as profit is no longer the focus of society. Human beings are valued for their unique, beautiful, creative expression in this universe instead of how many dollars they can generate.

Capitalism is viewed in history books the same way we view The Black Plague, The Dark Ages, and witch burnings today and we never speak of that insanity again.

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Bezos flees to his bunker in New Zealand with his private army.
New Zealander here, and I have a plan for this. It involves liberating a couple of construction vehicles and a good amount of cement. If the rich want to hide in bunkers they can stay in them.
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Having a comradegasm over here.

Also, Erik Prince isn’t going to actually let any of these guys keep those bunkers.
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Given how excited billionaires are to replicate dystopias they read as teens, I worry we’re headed towards Ready Player One, but shitty. The porn industry has already gone through a similar change, where the free users get older pre-made content and the paying users have moved to things like Onlyfans, cams, or other interactive elements.

I could see GPT generated ‘free’ content streams being the base and shows with fan interaction or integration being premium content. With complex live events being only for the rich. Ticketmaster has already been working on making it as hard as possible for people to see their favorite act, without also becoming poor to do so. Virtual live events to the rescue, where the rabble can pay less to virtually interact with each other, in a shitty but affordable, facsimile of the event.

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With complex live events being only for the rich. Ticketmaster has already been working on making it as hard as possible for people to see their favorite act, without also becoming poor to do so.
Do we already have a thread for Ticketmaster bitching? Because if we don't, we should. Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby but not only is it expensive as fuck, it is also virtually impossible to use at any price??

For the first time in >3 years we decided to go to a big concert. Stevie Nicks is coming through on tour. My husband started looking for tickets, and you basically have a 10 minute window to use the fucking terrible seating map to try to find seats, and 2 adjacent seats are apparently priced completely independently of one another. I guess because of how scalping is legal now. God help you if you are trying to do it on a mobile device. Anyway, I told him to discontinue because my employer has a box and the person who controls them is one of my clients, so I called dibs on 2 seats there. The passes are controlled by the venue and only issue 30 days before the event. They are released to the owner, who can then transfer them to anyone by e-mail. But even with a fucking corporate box you can't bypass Ticketmaster, because you have to use Ticketmaster credentials to accept them and add them to your phone as useable tickets, despite the fact that they are not stored in your Ticketmaster wallet or whatever it is in their shitty app, because as soon as you opt in to all the Ticketmaster stuff to accept your tickets, they specify that these are not issued by Ticketmaster, but by the venue. You still have to accept all of Ticketmaster's bullshit.
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