Climategate 2.0

[PopeyesPappy]

Originally Posted by SR71

Did you not read fragment's post, or is it a comprehension problem?

Apparently he didn't read the Kaufmann et al paper he posted either....

[Doctor X]

Originally Posted by SR71

Did you not read fragment's post, or is it a comprehension problem?

He is a Cunt.

--J. "You Heard the Man, Tubbs!" D.

[SR71]

Interesting vid - watch the old ice go bye bye

ClimateWatch Magazine » Old Ice Becoming Rare in Arctic

[SR71]

OK, OK, so not my greatest thing I ever dragged up on the porch. Well how about a GENYUWINE METHANE PULSE SIMULATOR? Huh? Is that not teh bomb?

SOFA KING COOL

Related arcticle. Methane - The Other White Meat

[SR71]

OMG Teh Daily Mail OVERTURNS GLOBAL WARMING COMPLETELY ON ITS ASS AGAIN!!!!

Global warming: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions | Mail Online

Teh Headline :

Is this finally proof we're NOT causing global warming? The whole of the Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions, says new study
Evidence was found in a rare mineral that records global temperatures
Warming was global and NOT limited to Europe
Throws doubt on orthodoxies around 'global warming'

Teh actual quote from teh Perfesser -

We showed that the Northern European climate events influenced climate conditions in Antarctica,’ Lu says. ‘More importantly, we are extremely happy to figure out how to get a climate signal out of this peculiar mineral. A new proxy is always welcome when studying past climate changes.’

Teh Syracuse U press release - Scientists use rare mineral to correlate past climate events in Europe, Antarctica

The day the study actually appears in print? April 1st! Mail. This should be a good one.

[Jeroll]

Originally Posted by SR71

OMG Teh Daily Mail OVERTURNS GLOBAL WARMING COMPLETELY ON ITS ASS AGAIN!!!!

Global warming: Earth heated up in medieval times without human CO2 emissions | Mail Online

Teh Headline :

Teh actual quote from teh Perfesser -

Teh Syracuse U press release - Scientists use rare mineral to correlate past climate events in Europe, Antarctica

The day the study actually appears in print? April 1st! Mail. This should be a good one.

So how does this not establish that global warming is a hoax?

[Watser?]

[Nullifidian]

I made the mistake of reading the comments to the Daily Fail article and it is indeed proof that readers of the Fail can't hold two thoughts in their head at the same time.

OMG! It was warm 700 something years ago, therefore any warming today must be due to exactly the same causes, no matter how much circumstances might have changed in the interim!

And by operation of the same principle, we can greatly increase the efficiency of all medical examiners and coroner's offices by having them write down "heart disease" as the cause of every death that comes their way. After all, heart disease does kill people, and it's in the nature of things that there can only ever be one cause per outcome, so....

[davidm]

Originally Posted by JEROLL DA TROLL

So how does this not establish that global warming is a hoax?

Four Derps on the Defcon-Five Derp Scale:



First, none of this is new. In fact this Medieval warming trend has been cited in the past by Jerome Da Troll himself as evidence -- of what? Oh, who knows?

Yes, Numb, we know that the earth has warmed in the past without being caused by humans. It has also cooled in the past without being caused by humans. Climate happens whether there are humans or not. For all the billions of years before humans even existed, there was climate, and where there is climate, there is climate change.

Climate changes for reasons. Jesus fucking christ, did I really just type that? It's like having to type, two plus two equals four.

In the past, global warming was produced by volcanoes, by methane venting from the ocean, by warming of the sun, etc. See any volcanoes blowing up all over the world these days, Troll? And the sun is not warming. Methane is not venting from the ocean or the permafrost, though it is starting to because methane release is one of the feedback loops that will kick in as the climate continues to warm.

No, the reason the earth is warming NOW, is because ... drum roll ... of human carbon dump into the atmosphere.

See, just as the earth can warm, or cool, for reasons not having to do with humans, it can also warm, or cool, for reasons that DO have to do with humans. Humans are part of nature, and surely it would be inane to suppose that we can't affect that which we are a part of.

A common high school lab experiment establishes the heat-trapping nature of co2. What did we suppose was going to happen, after humans have spent the last 15 decades or so dumping this stuff by exponentially increasing amounts into the atmosphere? Nothing?

[Pan Narrans]

JEROLL DA TROLL is the best troll on the

[Vivisectus]

The amount of times I was almost Jerolled, only to notice the different name JUST as I was about to press reply...

[Kael]

You should put one of their avatars on ignore, but not the other one. That way it doesn't trick you up. It's pretty fun, though. Got me too.

[davidm]

This is someone parodying the real Numb?

Doesn't matter. It's the exact same stupid thing the genuine Numb would say.

[Jerome]

got quiet

[SR71]

Here's an article about snow cover. Scroll down for another polar sea ice video.

Bye Bye Snow and Ice (and a Whole Lot More) | Mother Jones

[The Lone Ranger]

Heard this today:

A climate scientist and a climate change denier walked into a bar. The denier asked the bartender for a bottle of his strongest stuff. The bartender brought out a bottle and handed it to him. "What's the alcohol concentration in this drink?" asked the denier. "It's printed right there on the label," the bartender replied; "it's 95% alcohol."

The climate change denier slammed the bottle down onto the counter and stormed out.

"That's the problem with these guys," the climate scientist stated. "You can show them the proof, but they won't buy it."

[Kael]

I heard a take on climate denial from a teacher that I hadn't thought of before, about how the first organisms to develop photosynthesis changed a fifth of the Earth's early atmosphere to oxygen and poisoned themselves to a mass extinction in the process, so it's not like life-driven climate change is impossible or unprecedented.

I mean, I knew that about the atmosphere change and the resulting mass extinction, but I'd never thought about it in terms of climate change or climate change denial before.

[SR71]

Here is an article about how changes in marine salinity alter the hydrologic cycle. It turns out the models have underestimated the actual effect.

Big Changes in Ocean Salinity Intensifying Water Cycle | Mother Jones

A paper in Science today finds rapidly changing ocean salinities as a result of a warming atmosphere have intensified the global water cycle (evaporation and precipitation) by an incredible 4 percent between 1950 and 2000. That's twice the rate predicted by models.

These same models have long forecast that dry areas of Earth will become drier and wet areas wetter in a warming climate—an intensification of the water cycle driven mostly by the capacity of warmer air to hold and redistribute more moisture in the form of water vapor.

The big news is if (when) the global temp hits the expected 2 - 3 C increase -

But the rate of intensification of the global water cycle is happening far faster than imagined: at about 8 percent per degree Celsius of ocean warming since 1950.

At this rate, the authors calculate:

The global water cycle will intensify by a whopping 16 percent in a 2°C warmer world
The global water cycle will intensify by a frightening 24 percent in a 3°C warmer world

[naturalist.atheist]

Originally Posted by Nullifidian

I made the mistake of reading the comments to the Daily Fail article and it is indeed proof that readers of the Fail can't hold two thoughts in their head at the same time.

OMG! It was warm 700 something years ago, therefore any warming today must be due to exactly the same causes, no matter how much circumstances might have changed in the interim!

And by operation of the same principle, we can greatly increase the efficiency of all medical examiners and coroner's offices by having them write down "heart disease" as the cause of every death that comes their way. After all, heart disease does kill people, and it's in the nature of things that there can only ever be one cause per outcome, so....

Sounds like the clinical model.

[SR71]

Remember that nasty pothole that signaled the death knell for the AGW crowd? Well, turns out is in on the conspiracy theory. Maybe it wants grant money, or possibly is suffering from group think. Why is it personally attacking the legitimate scientists who oppose AGW theory?




Latest lulzy battles here

[Watser?]

With right-wing commentators like Rush Limbaugh selling climate change as a vast left-wing conspiracy you might imagine that Americans couldn't be bothered to try and stop our planet from boiling. Thankfully, that's not true, according to a Yale/George Mason University poll released yesterday.

The poll finds that a majority of Americans—63 percent—think the US should act to reduce greenhouse gas emissions now. That's even if other countries don't take any action. Surveying some 1,000 Americans, the poll found that only five percent of respondents believe there's no need to reduce emissions at all (see chart below). "Clearly, reports of the death of public support for action on global warming are overblown," wrote Ruy Teixeira at the Center for American Progress, in response to the poll.

New Poll: Most Americans Want Climate Action! | Mother Jones

[Stephen Maturin]

It's good to see the climate change debate becoming so measured and rational.

show spoiler

[Ari]

Um, didn't he hate science and the leftist brainwashing it was doing to people?

Bah, facts, who needs um!

[davidm]

Game Over for the Climate, by James Hansen

[SR71]

Dr. Neil! The content of these vids are not really news to us, but I really enjoyed watching the series.

Tyson's Cosmic Take On Global Warming | Video - ABC News

Neil deGrasse Tyson's Greatest Fear for Earth | Video - ABC News

The Best Science is Created Useless | Video - ABC News