Somebody just tried to assassinate Trump

[-FX-]

On live TV

[fragment]

Jebus

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

False flag, false flag.

[LarsMac]

He'll be playing that for all its worth.

[Miss Shelby]

Originally Posted by LarsMac

He'll be playing that for all its worth.

What should he do? Act like it didn’t happen?

[erimir]

He should probably not act like Biden is the cause, given that the shooter was a registered Republican whose classmates remember him as a conservative.

Is the idea that Trump could respond in different ways, some of them honest and some of them dishonest, somehow hard for you to grasp?

[Miss Shelby]

Originally Posted by erimir

He should probably not act like Biden is the cause, given that the shooter was a registered Republican whose classmates remember him as a conservative.

Is the idea that Trump could respond in different ways, some of them honest and some of them dishonest, somehow hard for you to grasp?

Is that a fact? Registered republican whose classmates ( he was 20 so presumably high school) remember him as conservative. How odd he he gave money to liberal causes. He was 20. 3 years is a long time to change your political mind. If in fact my sources of information are correct.

[erimir]

He supposedly gave all of $15 through ActBlue to something, once, when he was 17, then registered as a Republican several months later and has stayed as such for a few years.

So you're already distorting things when you say "causes" plural.

Which is, of course ,the point. Milking it for all its worth means doing such distortions, where someone there's no evidence of being liberal except for $15 donated once means more than party registration (that came later) and interviews with people who knew him.

The honest thing (for now) would be to say that there's more evidence of him being a conservative than of him being a liberal and he likely had strange politics in general, and there's no reason to think he was inspired by Joe Biden.

But that's not what your party is going to do, and it's not what you're going to do either, as you've consistently shown that you don't particularly care about factual accuracy.

The same people who claim that we shouldn't politicize things when a gunman with an AR-15 shoots a bunch of elementary school children or a nightclub full of people are going to politicize the hell out of this.

But it might get it through your skulls that maybe it would've been good if police were allowed to see someone walking around with an AR-15 and arrest them without needing to wait for them to aim or fire.

[Miss Shelby]

So he was a conservative- what- fall guy for the MAGA cause? A suicide for the orange guy?

[erimir]

Who knows? I don't claim to know what his precise motivation was!

Alex Jones was saying recently that Trump being assassinated could be good for the conservative movement because it would make him a martyr and so on.

More likely is that he just has muddled and incoherent beliefs, since this is often the case with would-be assassins and mass shooters.

But the thing is that Donald Trump doesn't know either, but I'll bet you he will make unjustified claims about it.

[fragment]

Originally Posted by erimir

More likely is that he just has muddled and incoherent beliefs, since this is often the case with would-be assassins and mass shooters.

"Wanted people to hear their name" seems to have been a common enough motive for mass shooters and celebrity assassins. Speaking of celebrity assassins several have felt some sort of weird personal grievance following an obsession, too. I mean, I wouldn't rule out the guy having become a radicalised lefty of some stripe either. Fact is, we might never know, and whatever facts are released might well seem somewhat contradictory and incomprehensible to us folks who don't feel inclined to get out there murdering.

[LarsMac]

Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

So he was a conservative- what- fall guy for the MAGA cause? A suicide for the orange guy?

Probably not. Just one of those poor kids who never got any respect, and decided to go out in a spectacular event to show everybody what he was really made of.
...But, now, he will be an editor's note in some obscure history book, or an interesting blip in a Facebook Trivia Game.

[-FX-]

20 year old loser, with no online profile of any kind, (according to the liars known as the FBI), managed to outwit and outsmart the entire Secret Service, all the local cops, and almost shoot Trump in the head.

And there are actual "skeptics" who won't question any of it, because they are deranged people.

[LarsMac]

Originally Posted by -FX-

20 year old loser, with no online profile of any kind, (according to the liars known as the FBI), managed to outwit and outsmart the entire Secret Service, all the local cops, and almost shoot Trump in the head.

And there are actual "skeptics" who won't question any of it, because they are deranged people.

"...and almost shoot Trump in the head."
That's the part I remain skeptical about.

[LarsMac]

Or, as has oft been said,
"expect a a cock-up before a conspiracy" - Bernard Ingham

[Miss Shelby]

There is nothing on his social media that is political in nature. No reputation for being an outspoken republican. Digging in to his past all that was found was that he recently registered republican and neighbors say he had a Trump sign in his yard. This should smell fishy to anyone regardless of their political affiliation.

[Miss Shelby]

Originally Posted by LarsMac

"...and almost shoot Trump in the head."
That's the part I remain skeptical about.

Came really dang close. I am skeptical about that too. I saw the guy. He didn’t exactly strike me as class a sniper.

[erimir]

Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

There is nothing on his social media that is political in nature. No reputation for being an outspoken republican. Digging in to his past all that was found was that he recently registered republican and neighbors say he had a Trump sign in his yard. This should smell fishy to anyone regardless of their political affiliation.

"Recently" meaning three years ago in 2021. I don't think that's that recent.

You're saying it like that because it makes it sound like he registered, grabbed a gun and headed to the rally.

If you think that the registration was part of the plan, then you're saying it was a plan that started three years ago.

As always with you, trying to mislead.

[fragment]

Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

This should smell fishy to anyone regardless of their political affiliation.

In America these days "guy grabs gun and starts shooting at people in a place that's guaranteed to be newsworthy" is not especially unusual. "Cops are incompetent and fail to protect people" isn't surprising either.

I wouldn't rule out more conspiratorial scenarios without more evidence, but it would be pretty dumb to rule out the most banal possibility when it's just a variation of something that happens again, and again, and again...

[Miss Shelby]

Originally Posted by fragment

In America these days "guy grabs gun and starts shooting at people in a place that's guaranteed to be newsworthy" is not especially unusual. "Cops are incompetent and fail to protect people" isn't surprising either.

I wouldn't rule out more conspiratorial scenarios without more evidence, but it would be pretty dumb to rule out the most banal possibility when it's just a variation of something that happens again, and again, and again...

So oppose gun control because Trump got shot. If gun control proponents really felt that way, we would hear more from fragment. In fact if a shot had been taken against Biden

[erimir]

That's word salad.

[fragment]

Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

If gun control proponents really felt that way, we would hear more from fragment.

Agree with erimir, I can't make much sense of that post.

But I'm not American. I probably get too involved with your politics, but that's what gets discussed around here and y'all produce some compelling political theatre. I do try to comment in terms of stuff that can be generalised outside of your specific context, such as the limits of "vote the lesser evil" politics, and this attempt to be relevant in general is perhaps one reason why I don't say much about gun control - America seems like a weird and massive outlier in terms of guns. A lot of your conversation about guns just doesn't seem to apply much in other countries.

Also I'm no particular fan of Biden, and I don't see any good coming out of any political assassination attempts in your country right now no matter who the target, so if you're suggesting my opinions might change if some other political candidate was in the firing line that would be incorrect.

[seebs]

Originally Posted by erimir

He supposedly gave all of $15 through ActBlue to something, once, when he was 17, then registered as a Republican several months later and has stayed as such for a few years.

So far as I can tell, the $15 donation to ActBlue was a different person with the same name, probably the 69-year-old retired guy.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Originally Posted by seebs

So far as I can tell, the $15 donation to ActBlue was a different person with the same name, probably the 69-year-old retired guy.

Probably not:
Trump Shooter Once Donated Money to a Democratic Cause? | Snopes.com tl;dr “yes”

[LarsMac]

Originally Posted by Kamilah Hauptmann

Probably not:
Trump Shooter Once Donated Money to a Democratic Cause? | Snopes.com tl;dr “yes”

At 17, he was probably trying to impress a girl who was manning the ActBlue Booth at the Mall.
Hormones are known to cross political boundaries.