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Coronavirus: Putin says vaccine has been approved for use - BBC News

Mass vaccinations begin in October. Trump will say that his great relationship with President Putin assures an abundant supply of the vaccine for the U.S., which in turn will get everything back to normal. Americans, the stupidest people on earth, will lap it up like lukewarm 3-day-old gravy from a trough at Cracker Barrel.

But hey, it's all good cuz polls.
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So we've got community transmission again after more than 100 days without. Four cases, restrictions are back in place until contact tracing and testing can be done.
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That's the community transmission cases. There's a a couple more "probable" now too. There are more cases, but they're in the isolation that everyone arriving in the country has to undergo.
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:31 AM
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Old 08-13-2020, 09:37 AM
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More like killing your own children, Ron.
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Old 08-13-2020, 11:09 AM
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Principles above lives.

How long until we get "active covid case" drills in school, like active shooter drills, without actually doing anything to address the causes?
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Honest Don has certainly been behaving as if he can just threaten the pandemic into respecting him.
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that antibodies (to any particular bug) indicate exposure, but not necessarily infection, recovery, nor immunity.

Am I getting that wrong?
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Depends on the kind of antibodies you are looking for. I don't know if there's a meaningful distinction between "exposure" and "infection" here, since this is a novel virus and nobody has been exposed before. You have to be exposed to mount an immune response, i.e. there has to be virus in your body. You make two types of antibodies. Binding antibodies are non-specific antibodies that grab foreign things. These are the first kinds of antibodies you would produce if you were infected. So if you currently have or are just getting over COVID, you might have binding antibodies. After an infection, your immune system produces neutralizing antibodies, which bind specifically to the virus. So if you have recovered from COVID, you probably have neutralizing antibodies. Neutralizing antibodies can actually stop a future infection. Neutralizing antibodies are part of how vaccines work.

Most seroprevalence studies look for neutralizing antibodies. The early science also suggests that they fade away after 3 months or so, but there are other types of immune response that may help.
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Depends on the kind of antibodies you are looking for. I don't know if there's a meaningful distinction between "exposure" and "infection" here, since this is a novel virus and nobody has been exposed before. You have to be exposed to mount an immune response, i.e. there has to be virus in your body. You make two types of antibodies. Binding antibodies are non-specific antibodies that grab foreign things. These are the first kinds of antibodies you would produce if you were infected. So if you currently have or are just getting over COVID, you might have binding antibodies. After an infection, your immune system produces neutralizing antibodies, which bind specifically to the virus. So if you have recovered from COVID, you probably have neutralizing antibodies. Neutralizing antibodies can actually stop a future infection. Neutralizing antibodies are part of how vaccines work.

Most seroprevalence studies look for neutralizing antibodies. The early science also suggests that they fade away after 3 months or so, but there are other types of immune response that may help.
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So what the article seems to describe falls in line with that, though the author doesn't really make that connection well.
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There are a related series of corona viruses that cause common colds.
Immunological response is the way we interact with alien invasion into our human micro-biome. There's always the chance the T-cell, white blood cells, and a host of other mechanical and chemical defenses can make the invasion worse (say cytokine storm) or better (already have a defense). Having previous infection by the same family of viruses may be good or bad.
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I am Facebook friends with a skeptic from another discussion board, and he's convinced we should be trying HCQ and now Ivermectin.

It's all about the zinc absorption these medicines help with! Why not take Zinc supplements instead of potentially dangerous anti-parasite medicine? It's frustrating because he's not exactly 100% wrong, but he's also promoting things that may not help, or may help accidentally, but are probably not the medical miracles he thinks they are.
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This is from a couple of days ago

5,000 zombies in England! 5,000 people suddenly no longer dead of covid-19!

And in more you-can-totally-trust-us fuckupery

Government quietly drops 1.3m Covid tests from England tally | World news | The Guardian
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This is from a couple of days ago

5,000 zombies in England! 5,000 people suddenly no longer dead of covid-19!

And in more you-can-totally-trust-us fuckupery

Government quietly drops 1.3m Covid tests from England tally | World news | The Guardian

With 65k excess deaths, by taking 5k arbitrarily imo from yall's tally, England's undercount is now about 50 (24/41) percent compared to the US's 28 percent. If the US were undercounting as bad as yall we would have about 250k dead right now instead of 200.

The undercount there was in line with the us undercount before teh zombies.

I also read that they are basically have a 28 day cap from first positive test to count, and I want to see the math on that.

Like what's the average death rate one would expect for 5k britons over 28 days. What are the causes of deaths that they are removing? we know clotting issue and stroke can be a complication.

They talked about accidental deaths, that's why I mentioned the average death rate. Obviously as a confounding issue, you have the fact that elderly have gotten it and some of them could be much more likely to die as well.

The point is though that yall didn't show your math so far as I can tell. I couldn't find it anyway. Just platitudes for justification.

It does not inspire confidence. especially when it looks like yall's ifr could be up close to 2. and again IFR not CFR



edited to add: that recent seroprevalence survey found 3.4 million UK people had antibodies. the excess mortality of 65k/3.4mil=1.9 percent ifr.

very rough estimate, take it with big, big grains of salt. but unless a bunch of people have had it and their antibodies have dropped below detectable levels, the uk ifr is scary. it's 1.2 with the official count and the seroprevalence display which is what it was in New York
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