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President Trump launches first campaign ad for 2020 election -- 1282 days away | syracuse.com
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The 2020 election season has officially begun.

President Donald Trump launched his first campaign ad for re-election on Monday, 1,282 days before the next presidential election. The 30-second commercial, paid for by Donald J. Trump for President Inc. and approved by Trump, focuses on his first 100 days in office.

"America has rarely seen such success," a narrator says in the video. "America is winning and President Trump is making America great again."
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There are at least 22 Democrats thinking about running for president in 2020 - CNNPolitics.com
  • 1st Tier (If they run, they have a real chance to win the nomination)
    • Joe Biden -- former Vice President
    • Bernie Sanders -- VT Senator
    • Elizabeth Warren -- MA Senator
  • 2nd Tier (Have potential to be a major contender but not there....yet)
    • Cory Booker -- NJ Senator
    • Andrew Cuomo -- NY Governor
    • Al Franken -- MN Senator
    • Kamala Harris -- CA Senator
    • Jay Inslee -- WA Governor
    • Tim Kaine -- VA Senator
    • Terry McAuliffe -- VA Governor
    • Chris Murphy -- CT Senator
  • 3rd Tier (There's a chance but....)
    • Steve Bullock -- MT Governor
    • Eric Garcetti -- Los Angeles Mayor
    • John Hickenlooper -- CO Governor
    • Amy Klobuchar -- MN Senator
    • Mitch Landrieu -- New Orleans Mayor
    • Seth Moulton -- MA Representative
    • Martin O'Malley -- MD Governor
  • No Tier (Rich businesspeople who've never run for anything before)
    • Mark Cuban -- Dallas Mavericks basketball-team owner
    • Sheryl Sandberg -- Facebook Chief Operating Officer
    • Howard Schultz -- Starbucks founder
    • Mark Zuckerberg -- Facebook founder
NY Senator Kirsten Gillibrand states that she wants to get re-elected rather than run for President.
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Old 05-04-2017, 09:39 PM
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"America has rarely seen such success"
It is true that we have rarely seen such performance.
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There are at least 22 Democrats thinking about running for president in 2020 - CNNPolitics.com
  • 1st Tier (If they run, they have a real chance to win the nomination)
    • Joe Biden -- former Vice President
    • Bernie Sanders -- VT Senator
    • Elizabeth Warren -- MA Senator
  • 2nd Tier (Have potential to be a major contender but not there....yet)
    • Cory Booker -- NJ Senator
    • Andrew Cuomo -- NY Governor
    • Al Franken -- MN Senator
    • Kamala Harris -- CA Senator
    • Jay Inslee -- WA Governor
    • Tim Kaine -- VA Senator
    • Terry McAuliffe -- VA Governor
    • Chris Murphy -- CT Senator
  • 3rd Tier (There's a chance but....)
    • Steve Bullock -- MT Governor
    • Eric Garcetti -- Los Angeles Mayor
    • John Hickenlooper -- CO Governor
    • Amy Klobuchar -- MN Senator
    • Mitch Landrieu -- New Orleans Mayor
    • Seth Moulton -- MA Representative
    • Martin O'Malley -- MD Governor
  • No Tier (Rich businesspeople who've never run for anything before)
    • Mark Cuban -- Dallas Mavericks basketball-team owner
    • Sheryl Sandberg -- Facebook Chief Operating Officer
    • Howard Schultz -- Starbucks founder
    • Mark Zuckerberg -- Facebook founder
Who came up with this list and tiers? They're kinda garbage.

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Oh ok. Chris Cillizza is an idiot and a hack.

Tiers 1 and 2 are not as clearly distinct as he thinks (while yes, Sanders or Biden would start with good numbers, I suspect someone like Gillibrand could eat into their lead relatively quickly as they become better known), and there's no way that Andrew Cuomo is as much of a contender as, say, Booker.

"Record of liberal accomplishments" my ass. Cuomo has picked fights with the first progressive mayor of NY in a couple decades, and he apparently can't even fully commit to wanting the New York Senate to have a Democratic majority. He's going to have to reinvent himself between now and 2019 if he doesn't want to his candidacy to top out at Martin O'Malley levels.
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NY Senator Kirsten Gillibrand states that she wants to get re-elected rather than run for President.
Riiiiight. Here's Obama in 2004:
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“I was elected yesterday,” Obama said. “I have never set foot in the U.S. Senate. I’ve never worked in Washington. And the notion that somehow I’m immediately going to start running for higher office just doesn’t make sense.

“So look, I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years, and my entire focus is making sure that I’m the best possible senator on behalf of the people of Illinois.”
Gillibrand should be on the list. She's running for re-election in 2018, so she has to say that's what her focus is. Her other behavior suggests that she's considering a run - she has positioned herself as the most anti-Trump Senator, for example.

Weird how he takes her off the list but leaves Kaine on (despite the fact that he also said he wouldn't run and the fact that he would clearly be a less appealing candidate).

On the non-politicians... Sheryl Sandberg and Mark Cuban would have no chance. The Democratic base is not feeling the "corporate feminism" of Lean In and Mark Cuban is far too economically conservative. Mark Cuban has a yacht named after Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead (although he seems fairly sane for a Rand fan), you better believe that the Bernie wing of the party would have a big problem with him (I wouldn't vote for him in the primaries myself).

Zuckerberg is a bit young to be running, but he does seem to be going on a tour that indicates political aspirations. I don't know what he's doing, but I hope he's not planning on running for president, ugh.

I'd rather see George Clooney run than any of those non-politicians.
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Mark Zuckerberg disqualifies himself by being a founder of a malicious website. Fuck him. Seriously, fuck him hard, and not in a good way. I would put a bullet in my skull before living in a world where he is POTUS.
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Old 05-05-2017, 04:14 AM
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This presumes the constitution isn't amended to require the president to have been a CEO of a large corporation.
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I'm going to keep saying this until everyone in all of time and space acknowledge its rightness: ELIZABETH WARREN NEEDS TO STAY EXACTLY WHERE SHE IS. SHE CAN DO MORE GOOD AS A MULTITERM SENATOR THAN SHE EVER COULD AS A TWO TERM PRESIDENT.
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:29 AM
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I dunno. Warren would do a lot of good as a president.

It totally made sense not to want her to be VP though. That would've been a waste given that VP is basically a worthless position in itself.

It would've been worth it to stop Trump though if we assume she would've been worth 1-2% vs. Kaine...
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Zuckerberg is a bit young to be running, but he does seem to be going on a tour that indicates political aspirations. I don't know what he's doing, but I hope he's not planning on running for president, ugh.
He's caused enough damage already, but having a multi-billionaire who happens to run the world's biggest and worst surveillance engine even run for president is beyond scary. It probably wouldn't even make sense to call such an election manipulated. It would be something else altogether. Something out of a dystopian comic.
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He's just fundraising, I'm certain. President isn't as well a paying job as he hoped.
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Something out of a dystopian comic.
But isn't that what we -- oh, you mean an even worse one.
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I hate that this thread is even necessary in 2017.
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I hate that this thread is even necessary in 2017.
I would love it if this turned into the "US Presidency 2018" thread, but I don't even want to think about the 2020 Presidency.
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Hopefully we'll get to start an "Impeach-o-rama" thread before 2020.
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We got Hillary Clinton with a bad haircut and a penis.

Same soup in 2020.
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I just hope our 2020 president can read.
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There are at least 22 Democrats thinking about running for president in 2020 - CNNPolitics.com
  • 1st Tier (If they run, they have a real chance to win the nomination)
    • Joe Biden -- former Vice President
    • Bernie Sanders -- VT Senator
    • Elizabeth Warren -- MA Senator
  • 2nd Tier (Have potential to be a major contender but not there....yet)
    • Cory Booker -- NJ Senator
    • Andrew Cuomo -- NY Governor
    • Al Franken -- MN Senator
    • Kamala Harris -- CA Senator
    • Jay Inslee -- WA Governor
    • Tim Kaine -- VA Senator
    • Terry McAuliffe -- VA Governor
    • Chris Murphy -- CT Senator
  • 3rd Tier (There's a chance but....)
    • Steve Bullock -- MT Governor
    • Eric Garcetti -- Los Angeles Mayor
    • John Hickenlooper -- CO Governor
    • Amy Klobuchar -- MN Senator
    • Mitch Landrieu -- New Orleans Mayor
    • Seth Moulton -- MA Representative
    • Martin O'Malley -- MD Governor
  • No Tier (Rich businesspeople who've never run for anything before)
    • Mark Cuban -- Dallas Mavericks basketball-team owner
    • Sheryl Sandberg -- Facebook Chief Operating Officer
    • Howard Schultz -- Starbucks founder
    • Mark Zuckerberg -- Facebook founder
NY Senator Kirsten Gillibrand states that she wants to get re-elected rather than run for President.
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Just saw one of my most Hillary-hating-est friends (voted Hillary in the general, but used extreme rhetoric during the primary, said she was closer to Trump than to Bernie, etc.)... post "I'd vote for Papa Biden" (so affectionate!) with a link to a piece about Biden strongly considering running in 2020. He also was (strangely enough) never so disparaging when talking about Obama... he likes Obama, and praises Obama even when criticizing him.

I am resisting the urge to point out that sexism that is basically the only plausible explanation for this.

as a quick summary for why...

He complained that Hillary was too close to Wall Street. Joe Biden used to be called the senator from MBNA, and voted to make bankruptcy harder in ways that benefit credit card companies.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War... so did Joe Biden.

Hillary supported the 1994 Crime Bill... Joe Biden drafted the 1994 Crime Bill.

Hillary wasn't for single payer... as far as I know, Joe Biden has never been either.

I'll give you that Joe Biden came out for gay marriage before Hillary... but her issue score from HRC was higher than Biden's during her time in the senate.

Biden's overall senate record was less liberal than Clinton's as well.

Not to mention that he bungled the Anita Hill hearings. And even though we have this whole moment happening with sexual harassment and assault, Joe Biden just this week implicitly defended the way it went down, saying "The message I’ve delivered before is I am so sorry if she [Anita Hill] believes that [the process was unfair]".

Oh and that he won no delegates in both of his previous presidential campaigns. Hillary the loser should go away, Joe Biden the loser gets to be picked for VP and be considered a contender for 2020 even though he'd be the oldest new president ever if he won.
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As far as I'm concerned, since both candidates represent the corporate donor class, they are unsuitable presidential candidates.
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Personally, I would say that my ideal presidential candidate agrees with me about everything.
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Do not want

Biden
Warren
Sanders
Clinton

Maybe Hillebrand, is that her name? I think it's time for a somewhat of an unknown quantity, stealth candidate, a la Clinton '92.
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Gillibrand, from NY. What about McCaskill? One of the Dems from the Intelligence Committees that are looking into "Russia"?
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I like Gillibrand. Harris and others have time to raise their stock as well.

McCaskill has to be moderate to win in Missouri, so I'm not sure she fits the moment. She would not be my first choice.

But if we wanted to pick someone from a state for regional advantage, I'd say Sherrod Brown from Ohio would be a decent choice...
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