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Old 11-22-2021, 10:50 PM
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This is just gonna be the place for cataloguing the evidence that Glenn Greenwald and other anti-anti-Trump "lefties" are basically just right-wingers who constantly engage in bad faith and hypocrisy.

Feel free to add shit about Matt Taibbi and other people who are nominally on the left but seem to spend most of their time attacking Democrats and defending Republicans, often defending the GOP with right-wing arguments, or even more ludicrously, asserting that the GOP is actually the one on the left on certain issues (a la Greenwald spending years assuring us that Rand Paul was more committed to civil rights than the Democrats, only for Rand Paul to roll over and endorse nearly every Trump move that violated his supposed libertarian principles). But really, in the past couple years a lot of them have moved towards having generically right-wing opinions and making generically right-wing arguments.

Here are some to start:

Greenwald: Stacey Abrams refusing to concede that Kemp won a fair election given voter suppression in Georgia, but not legally contesting the election... this is the same as Trump trying to coerce state elections officials to "find" extra votes, suing to have legitimate votes thrown out, calling the election rigged based on no evidence, etc.


The Russia story is "vastly" worse than the disinformation than Trump and the GOP engage in. Because the Steele dossier might not all be true, but Greenwald never acknowledges that the Senate's investigation concluded there was basically coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia, he never acknowledges that Russia hacked the DNC, etc. so he pretends that there's nothing to the Russia 2016 story.

But even if you want to conclude that what is there isn't that big of a deal, and so the media and Dems are still bad on this... he's saying this is worse than:
  1. Trump claiming he won the 2020 election and inciting violence with his lies
  2. Trump claiming that illegal immigrants are disproportionately criminals and rapists
  3. GOP climate denialism
  4. Trump and GOP anti-vaccine lies, which continue to result in the deaths of thousands of their voters
  5. the GOP's foreign policy lies about Iraq and so on, which Glem used to care about (although he's right that it's different because that disinformation campaign wasn't actually run in conjunction with the CIA, although Glem would probably blame the CIA anyway)
The interesting thing about this... is that it's no different from what a Republican would say.


Here we have Greenwald mocking things people were saying about Rittenhouse (who Greenwald unambiguously supports, btw, because defending people who take high-powered guns to anti-police brutality protests is the left-wing thing to do) and also mocking the idea that there's anything unsavory about associating with Alex Jones. I guess Alex Jones must be left-wing now too.



Greenwald likes to make a show of complaining about Democrats actions in the Middle East, and particularly any stray instances of Islamophobia on their parts. Yet he claims that Tucker Carlson, who once referred to Iraqis as "semiliterate primitive monkeys" (direct quote) is dedicated to racial equality and merely has some issues with the way BLM conducts itself. Tucker Carlson also had a segment fear-mongering about "Gypsies coming to America" and hosted Charles Murray for a skull-measuring session, to name just a couple things off the top of my head.



Of course, Greenwald spends so much time on Carlson's show, most of it spent attacking Democrats, that one could be forgiven for thinking that that a Fox News pundit was actually a right-winger.

And this isn't even getting into his anti-trans views or various other things.

Of course, Greenwald's support for Tucker's wink-wink "not racist" nativism isn't that surprising if you're aware he once wrote this:
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Current illegal immigration – whereby unmanageably endless hordes of people pour over the border in numbers far too large to assimilate, and who consequently have no need, motivation or ability to assimilate – renders impossible the preservation of any national identity.
Or the fact that his only notable legal case as a lawyer was defending a neo-Nazi murderer.

He's just reverting to type.

The biggest question for me is whether he will, and how long it will take, for him to pivot to being pro-Bolsonaro (or at least anti-anti-Bolsonaro), as it becomes difficult for him to resolve the cognitive dissonance of being pro-Trump (or anti-anti-Trump :rolleyes:) and anti-Bolsonaro, given the strong affinity between Bolsonaro and Trump.
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Old 11-23-2021, 03:17 AM
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Oh I forgot to mention that that Darren J. Beattie guy that Greenwald is interacting with in a friendly manner was literally fired as Trump's speechwriter for having ties to white nationalists that were too overt for the Trump White House.

Oh and this thing, which is from Eoin Higgins. Higgins is a leftist who has said some truly idiotic shit, like that Jeb! Bush is more principled than Bernie Sanders (because Sanders endorsed Clinton, while Jeb! was unwilling to endorse Trump). But he did bother to quantify how Greenwald has become not just a Fox News guest who goes on to present a counter view, but a Fox News booster. Greenwald claims, often, to only be going on to bring the message to an audience that might not hear his "left-wing" message. Of course, in reality his message on Fox is mostly attacking Democrats, which is hardly different from what Fox News viewers normally hear.

Anyway, you can see here that rather than trying to bring a counter message or being critical of the right-wing disinformation on Fox, he has decided to suck up to the company that gives him those sweet, sweet media hits. Meanwhile, this guy who constantly goes on the most popular corporate cable news show on the most popular corporate cable news channel and now, apparently, mostly praises that corporate news channel, loves to criticize everyone else as in thrall to corporations, unlike Glem, a fiercely independent journalist who speaks truth to power. Apparently Rupert Murdoch and Fox News don't count as powerful.


His narcissistic impulse to be on TV is also the root of his obsession with how CNN and MSNBC have lower ratings than Fox News. Maddow stopped inviting him on, and now he has a grudge.

I will say that much of Greenwald's behavior could be explained by narcissistic injury rather than coherent right-wing ideology per se. Nevertheless, whether he does it because he's a narcissistic asshole or because he's reasoned himself into right-wing ideology, he's still out there promoting right-wing propaganda when he praises Fox News and so on.

Who cares if he says he supports universal healthcare, if he prioritizes his petty grievances to attack the party that cares about universal healthcare and defends the party that would rather kick people off Medicaid? The end result is still that his preferred outcome would've been one in which the GOP had the votes to pass the Obamacare repeal and kick millions off their healthcare. It doesn't really absolve him in any way.

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Old 11-23-2021, 06:59 AM
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whether he does it because he's a narcissistic asshole or because he's reasoned himself into right-wing ideology
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Old 11-30-2021, 03:58 AM
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Liberals are the real racists, and Tucker Carlson is the real anti-racist, I guess:

I already mentioned a couple things above. Carlson, of course, also insists that white supremacy is not a real problem in America today and that it's harder to be white in America than non-white. He had to fire one of his top writers once his blatantly racist and slur-filled online postings were connected to him (surely he had no influence on the tenor of Carlson's coverage of racial issues, nor did Carlson approve any such influence! If only the czar knew!), and constantly fearmongers about immigrants and suggests that Democrats and Mexico are conspiring to change America, with more or less explicit gestures towards the "white genocide" theory (aka "the Great Replacement") that inspired the Tree of Life synagogue and Christchurch mass shootings.

But he's not racist at all.

But hey, I'm sure Greenwald's takes on Brazilian politics are 1. great and 2. especially insightful compared to actual left-wing Brazilian commentators and 3. worth wading through all of Greenwald's other shit.
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I guess it’s the non-racist version of replacement theory.

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In a video posted to Fox News' YouTube account Wednesday, Carlson said President Joe Biden had aligned himself with sentiments of "The Great Replacement," which Carlson explained as "the replacement of legacy Americans with more obedient people from far away countries. They brag about it all the time, but if you dare to say it's happening they will scream at you with maximum hysteria."

Historian, author and University of Chicago assistant professor Kathleen Belew recently explained the theory to NPR's Lulu Garcia-Navarro. "The idea is that somehow, nonwhite people or outsiders or strangers or foreigners will overtake the United States via immigration, reproduction and seizure of political power," Belew said. "One reason that the ADL is sensitive to this issue is that many incarnations of this theory involve a supposed cabal of Jewish elites."

Tucker Carlson promotes racist theory, ADL denounces, Gaetz supports


But for real, anyone who says Cucker isn’t racist loses all credibility.
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Remember when it was "drones, drones, drones" about Obama, and how he was a murderer, no better than Bush (maybe worse), Trump was just a continuation (somehow Trump never got so much hate for ramping up drone bombings to a far higher level than Obama with laxer rules around civilian casualties and reporting, for some reason), and Biden was going to be the same? And the Forever Wars will never stop and both parties agree on that, etc.

Greenwald in particular talked about Trump having a "non-interventionist" mindset, praised him for "not starting any wars" (escalating wars is apparently not that big of a deal), and somehow found very little time to talk about Trump's increased use of drones (most of Greenwald's discussion of drones during the Trump years... was about Obama) and usually would blame the "Deep State"/generals for Trump's aggressive foreign policy choices.

For some reason, most of this crowd has not been giving Biden constant praise for exiting Afghanistan. And seem to have nothing to say about this:



It's almost as if...
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I don't often say this, but good for Joe Biden! :1thumbup:
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