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Are our Governments and Drug Cartels the same entities?

Other than Governments, who has the power to run the world’s drugs cartels, and have it’s kingpins to never get caught?

I can think of no one capable of such a feat, other than our own governments.

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Which governments and which drug cartels?
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I can think of no one capable of such a feat . . .
The veracity of that statement is beyond rational dispute.
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I can think of no one capable of such a feat . . .
The veracity of that statement is beyond rational dispute.
Thanks for adding to the list, sand showing you could not do better, now fuck off stupid.

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I dropped my sammich in the terlet.
That's nice, chief. :pat:
I think this is thread is all fucked up, my bad as well as wrongly presented quotes, and a restart would be nice, although given the history here, I do not expect much.

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Not my words.

You likely knew that.

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Honestly, I'd have more respect for you if they were.
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Are our Governments and Drug Cartels the same entities?

Other than Governments, who has the power to run the world’s drugs cartels, and have it’s kingpins to never get caught?
Purdue Pharma. Well actually they can get caught, but they just throw money at it and it goes away.
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Are our Governments and Drug Cartels the same entities?

Other than Governments, who has the power to run the world’s drugs cartels, and have it’s kingpins to never get caught?
Purdue Pharma. Well actually they can get caught, but they just throw money at it and it goes away.
Be it medicine or psychotropic, legal or illegal, it passes through the hands of or governments, if arrest and seizure stats, as well as banking laws, are proof of collusion.

Few seem to be disagreeing with us.:wave:

Perhaps people are not as uninformed as I thought.

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Are our Governments and Drug Cartels the same entities?

Other than Governments, who has the power to run the world’s drugs cartels, and have it’s kingpins to never get caught?
Purdue Pharma. Well actually they can get caught, but they just throw money at it and it goes away.
Be it medicine or psychotropic, legal or illegal, it passes through the hands of or governments, if arrest and seizure stats, as well as banking laws, are proof of collusion.

Few seem to be disagreeing with us.:wave:

Perhaps people are not as uninformed as I thought.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/02/b...0being%20human.
I suggest these two books for anyone interested in the opiod/fentanyl epidemics. The latter is going on at the time of this posting on the internet.
https://samquinones.com/books/the-least-of-us/
You may have to subscribe to the nyt, so here is another informative link.
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Are our Governments and Drug Cartels the same entities?

Other than Governments, who has the power to run the world’s drugs cartels, and have it’s kingpins to never get caught?

I can think of no one capable of such a feat, other than our own governments.

You?

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it should be noted that plenty of fentanyl has been sent in to the US without the American government knowing. It was through the internet and not even the dark web no less. Pure fentanyl right through the mail it was a fee savvy detectives who figured it out. The dealer was sending it from China to an American dealer. The American was arrested charged and convicted of the murder of two persons who’d overdosed . That led to a task force which traveled to China WITH the names of the father and son exporting the shit from China to the US. The Chinese government didn’t care because it was very easy to manipulate the molecular structure of the drug to something legal .
Don’t believe me ? Google Gordon Jin. Also there are no extradition treaties between US and China so very unlikely they be held responsible in the first. Ain’t China great? Not only can we thank them for covid, we can also shoot them kudos for contributing to our drug epidemics.
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... we can also shoot them kudos for contributing to our drug epidemics.


"We" are not really in a position to complain ...

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In the late 18th century, the British East India Company expanded cultivation of opium in its Indian Bengal territories, selling it to private traders who transported it to China and passed it on to Chinese smugglers. By 1787, the Company was sending 4,000 chests of opium (each 77 kg) per year. In earlier times, opium was taken as a relatively harmless medicine, but the new practice of smoking opium recreationally increased demand tremendously and often led to addiction. The Chinese Emperor issued edicts making opium illegal in 1729, 1799, 1814, and 1831, but imports grew as smugglers and colluding officials gorged on the profits. Some Americans entered the trade by smuggling opium from Turkey into China, including Warren Delano Jr., the grandfather of twentieth-century President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Francis Blackwell Forbes; in American historiography this is sometimes referred to as the Old China Trade. By 1833, the opium traffic soared to 30,000 chests.
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Are our Governments and Drug Cartels the same entities?

Other than Governments, who has the power to run the world’s drugs cartels, and have it’s kingpins to never get caught?

I can think of no one capable of such a feat, other than our own governments.

You?

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it should be noted that plenty of fentanyl has been sent in to the US without the American government knowing. It was through the internet and not even the dark web no less. Pure fentanyl right through the mail it was a fee savvy detectives who figured it out. The dealer was sending it from China to an American dealer. The American was arrested charged and convicted of the murder of two persons who’d overdosed . That led to a task force which traveled to China WITH the names of the father and son exporting the shit from China to the US. The Chinese government didn’t care because it was very easy to manipulate the molecular structure of the drug to something legal .
Don’t believe me ? Google Gordon Jin. Also there are no extradition treaties between US and China so very unlikely they be held responsible in the first. Ain’t China great? Not only can we thank them for covid, we can also shoot them kudos for contributing to our drug epidemics.
Every life is important.

Thanks for showing the tip of the iceberg.

Going by memory here, so don't hold me to this, but I read that Cannabis alone in North America, took 50,000 lives in the last 25 years. Mostly internal competition.

Not bad for the least harmful psychotropic drug eh?

I do not know if we can quantify the loss of life. The lie we are living at the hands of our governments is too high.

The medieval governments used to start wars just to rid their countries of the overpopulation of unruly men.

Now we sacrifice our young in a phony drug war, while the old and rich lie to the so called adults who sit on their hand.

Now that is good governing to a docile uncaring population.

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This topic is very interesting to me but I have to say I am not really following some of the logic in this thread.
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This topic is very interesting to me but I have to say I am not really following some of the logic in this thread.
Which points are you having issues with?

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Which points are you having issues with?

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Your OP, for starters. Very broad statement for complicated problems.

Then, as the thread rolled along, it's clear that you have been placed, in quite good company with me I might add, as a troll.

mickthinks threw me crow bar with his history of opium post.

and lastly... Right Winger? where did that come from
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Then, as the thread rolled along, it's clear that you have been placed, in quite good company with me I might add, as a troll.
I'm sorry, Miss S, you are not in the same league as Gnoxious Cryptic Bigot.

While it's true that you do resist full assimilation into the :ff: group mind, you're hardly a troll at all.

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Your OP, for starters. Very broad statement for complicated problems.
Exactly.
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Your OP, for starters. Very broad statement for complicated problems.
You’re echoing my thoughts on the matter pretty accurately.
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This topic is very interesting to me but I have to say I am not really following some of the logic in this thread.
Which points are you having issues with?

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Your OP, for starters. Very broad statement for complicated problems.

Then, as the thread rolled along, it's clear that you have been placed, in quite good company with me I might add, as a troll.

mickthinks threw me crow bar with his history of opium post.

and lastly... Right Winger? where did that come from
That was just showing the mind set of those who initiated the Opium War.

They were the religious right wing. Granted that the whole world was right wing loony in those times.

I have found to date, that most here do not have the whit to troll.

Not surprising they misuse the term.

Forgive them. They are dim.

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Your OP, for starters. Very broad statement for complicated problems.
You’re echoing my thoughts on the matter pretty accurately.
First.

Start by recognizing that it is a question and not a statement.

Think Socrates.

Answers lead to the right questions for a proper end to root causes.

Give your opinion.

If I like it, we are friends.

If you disagree with my answer of yes, and give your reasons, we verbally fight to the debate death.

No one seems to be denying this though, so the lack of opposition would mean the vast majority agree.

Wow.

An unexpected Christmas gift.

There are not as many uninformed as I thought.

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