2024 Presidential Election Shittastic Shittacular

[Miss Shelby]

Originally Posted by seebs

I already gave you a concrete example.


In the proposed new world, I'm no longer allowed to see the person I've been married to the last couple of decades in the hospital because our marriage is retroactively invalidated.
I didn’t know Trump already enacted certain marriages null and void.

Nice, simple, concrete. I don't know whether you understand why I would be unhappy with it.

I was unaware Trump declared certain marriages null and void. Didn’t even know he could do that being present elect and am quite sure he would not do it after inauguration day.

[Crumb]

[seebs]

Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

I was unaware Trump declared certain marriages null and void. Didn’t even know he could do that being present elect and am quite sure he would not do it after inauguration day.

I didn't say he did. I said it was part of the proposed scheme.


The proposed plans of the new government include invalidating all same-sex marriages.


You asked why people think this is bad. Here's a concrete example: The new government's stated intended policy is to invalidate lots of marriages, making it no longer legal to treat us as next-of-kin, etcetera.


No one claimed that it happened already. I said, in the proposed new world. You know, once they get to enact their policies.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

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[Stephen Maturin]

Welllllll, sort of, but not really. The bill in question is heinous. It would have given the Treasury Department unilateral authority to revoke the tax-exempt status of any nonprofit deemed to be a "terrorist supporting organization."

Due to some strange procedural machinations, this one would have needed a 2/3 supermajority to pass. It didn't get the supermajority, but "won" the vote 256-145.

Fifty-two Dems voted in favor of the bill. Reminds me of the Shrub War on Terror days, when many a Dem - including luminaries like Diane Feinstein - regularly rolled over and submitted upon the mere mention of "terrorism."

This one will definitely be back in the 119th Congress, and without the supermajority requirement.

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Clickbait from the ACLU. Ugh, I hoped they’d hold themselves to a higher standard.

[fragment]

Originally Posted by seebs

Say we don't count cases where they are taking their land back from Russia. Can you identify a single example in the last, I dunno, two centuries or so, of even one of these countries trying to take Russian land? I can't off the top of my head. I think the last two examples I can think of are Hitler and... maybe Napoleon? I think he tried.

Not to justify Russian aggression or anything, but countries that are now in NATO also attacked Russia in the Crimean War, WW1, and during the post-revolution civil war.

For the record, I think it would have been better if NATO had been wound up after the Soviet Union ended and replaced by some sort of pan-European peace and co-operation framework that included Russia and demilitarised massively. But that's not what happened, and not where we are now.

[Miss Shelby]

Originally Posted by seebs

I didn't say he did. I said it was part of the proposed scheme.


The proposed plans of the new government include invalidating all same-sex marriages.


You asked why people think this is bad. Here's a concrete example: The new government's stated intended policy is to invalidate lots of marriages, making it no longer legal to treat us as next-of-kin, etcetera.


No one claimed that it happened already. I said, in the proposed new world. You know, once they get to enact their policies.

When you say it WILL happen what do you mean?

[-FX-]

Originally Posted by beyelzu

I hope America doesn’t break my heart again.

[Miss Shelby]

Don’t be a tool FX

[It's Me!]

Originally Posted by Miss Shelby

You’re involved in education now, actively. I guess that answers my question about how you feel you’ll “ be sent packing “.

Yes, I am involved in education, actively. I volunteer my time, lots of it, to help ensure that the charter school I am on the board of runs efficiently, uses the tax payer money it is given appropriately, and that the children in its care receive the education they deserve.

If federal funding was cut (for SPED), the school would likely go under almost immediately due to the increased financial burden. It would certainly free up a lot of my time, and I'd be nary impacted ... but all of those parents with special needs children, would be well and truly fucked.

Your whole argument against what we're seeing and hearing is that "It won't happen." and that's just an insane response. Of course nothing happens UNTIL it happens.

So if it does happen, can I camp in your front yard so every time you walk out your front door, I can pop out of it and yell "I fucking told you so!"

PS: If you're for voucher systems, which will allow wealthy parents to use public school money for their children's private education and - at the same time - wring your hands about non-poor kids getting a free breakfast (so the poor kids can get at least two meals a day during the school week - mind you, they still go hungry on the weekends) ... you might be a hypocrite.

[-FX-]

Originally Posted by Pete Ross Junior

But I take it you expect there to be a presidential election in 2024?

Only for the Republicans. The Democrat voters got no say in who ran.

[LarsMac]

The Clown Car grows

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[michio]

Something different about this past election for me was how incredibly bad the vibes were. The DNC speech from Kamala Harris destroyed the hopes of every American leftist, then it just got worse and worse in the lead up to Nov. 5th, when electoralism officially died for many on the left.

I don't have the emotional bandwidth to pay attention to any of this stuff anymore. On Oct. 21 I voted in Texas, excited to vote against Ted Cruz, then I tuned out. After the election, the sadness and despair was palpable. I can't even be angry, I'm too tired for that these days.

As for what should be done now, I would say prep for the future at an individual level. How is this quadfecta going to affect you personally? For example I'm getting a TDAP and MMR booster soon, and I'm cutting down on processed food to avoid things like listeria and e. coli, ya know, if the FDA is gutted. I've been talking about it for years, but I'm ready to leave Texas for good. I need to leave this state before my child is old enough to attend school. I live near Uvalde, I am not sending my kid to school just to get brained by a lanky incel or contract polio in this shithole.

We should greatly prioritize self-care, spirituality, and physical fitness. If you're a marginalized person, in particular an undocumented immigrant or just the wrong shade of brown/black, you should arm yourself, look up information on community defense and community organizing, and talk to your like-minded neighbors. If BORTAC shows up to your ethnic neighborhood and starts clearing houses, what are you going to do? This needs to be discussed and planned with your neighbors, before the feds roll up.

Anyone on the left needs to join their local Democratic Socialists of America chapter ASAP and look for any way at all to contribute. Even if it's just showing up to a few rallies and protests that you care about and being a body. You don't have to chant, create propaganda, or throw bricks, or do anything really. There's power in numbers. Just show up.

If you're an upper-class / rich class traitor that empathizes with the working class, throw your local DSA chapter some money, we need supplies and funding. We are broke for the most part.

The United Auto Workers are organizing a general strike in 2028. Everyone can join, and people need to be pushing their local DSA chapter to get ready for this *now*, or your unionized workplace if you're lucky to work in one. It seems like a long way off, but if we're going to be serious about a legit, America-transforming general strike, 3-4 years sounds about right for adequate preparation.

If you work for a living, maybe consider sending out feelers and leftist dogwhistles to your coworkers and test the waters to see if they would be open to labor organizing. The good thing about labor organizing, is that even Republican MAGA types are open to it, you just need to be careful with framing. Use the fact that many of us hate our bosses and landlords, and anchor the discussion around that.

Right, left, black, white, young, old, gay, straight, cis, north, south... You could list out hundreds of bullshit labels intended to divide us and keep us distracted when the truth is we're all on the same team man. Unless you're a capitalist at the tippy-top of society, you're on my team. Yes, I consider those whackjob MAGA hat wearing mfers Q-posting on Twitter to be on my team. Yes, I very much consider someone like FX to be on my team, and I will continue to advocate for FX to receive healthy food, clean water, health care, safe shelter, and a decent wage, whether he likes it or not. Because when you address the material needs of a human being, they tend to become more open, caring, empathetic, peaceful, and support left wing policies that benefit everyone when they see how great life can be.

The fascist playbook is to gut institutions, oppress the population, make everyone miserable, while directing the anger of the people toward those who don't have any fucking power at all.

Ya man, some random 19 year old with brown skin wearing a headband and wielding an AK (his body posted on Twitter with his intestines blown out by an American bomb minutes after his picture was taken), he's the reason why your road has pot holes in it and city hall informed you of a boil water notice. Your neighbor that likes sucking penis and has a rainbow flag on his car? Yep, he's the reason why you have to depend on your employer for health care, and your 14 year old reads at a 3rd grade level. Maybe if we deport Juan Carlos Hernández López working for $12 / hour cooking your baby back ribs and fries at your local Chili's, you can finally get more than a 50 cent raise at your shitty job!

The time for discussion, shitposting, and e-arguments is over. "Politics" is pointless. We need action.

I wish everyone the best in the coming years, and I hope you can make peace with the terrible burden you're currently carrying. I'm waiting on the good times now.

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[Ensign Steve]

I don't know if your child is a boy or a girl, but either way, yes, leave Texas ASAP. Just leave double fast if girl.

[mickthinks]

Originally Posted by michio

Something different …

Most of that was impossible to disagree with, but the rest I disagree with, and especially the take aways. And the talking head in that video clip is so full of shit, she could be a shill for Putin.

[-FX-]

One good thing about the 2024 election


There will be an election in 2028

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by mickthinks

And the talking head in that video clip is so full of shit, she could be a shill for Putin.

Damn, that was a painful watch! If one really wants political commentary from a social-media-rich pretend radical, there are plenty of better alternatives.

[Miss Shelby]

Originally Posted by It's Me!

Yes, I am involved in education, actively. I volunteer my time, lots of it, to help ensure that the charter school I am on the board of runs efficiently, uses the tax payer money it is given appropriately, and that the children in its care receive the education they deserve.

If federal funding was cut (for SPED), the school would likely go under almost immediately due to the increased financial burden. It would certainly free up a lot of my time, and I'd be nary impacted ... but all of those parents with special needs children, would be well and truly fucked.

Your whole argument against what we're seeing and hearing is that "It won't happen." and that's just an insane response. Of course nothing happens UNTIL it happens.

So if it does happen, can I camp in your front yard so every time you walk out your front door, I can pop out of it and yell "I fucking told you so!"

PS: If you're for voucher systems, which will allow wealthy parents to use public school money for their children's private education and - at the same time - wring your hands about non-poor kids getting a free breakfast (so the poor kids can get at least two meals a day during the school week - mind you, they still go hungry on the weekends) ... you might be a hypocrite.

What is a charter school? Is it a public school? Is it for specific students or is there specific funding for special needs kids? I ask because I don’t know. I hope your school does not go under especially if you’re personally involved. Which obviously is only one of your concerns.

Vouchers for wealthy kids in private schools? I need to educate myself. Dude my kids went to public school and ate the public schools breakfast for all but one year when I sent Sam to a private school her freshman year because I was an employee and got a huge tuition break. It ended not how I would have liked . I take that back. They didn’t eat the public school breakfasts ALL those years. I managed to not work for a few of them. I wish I had been able to do breakfast for them before we got out the door and maybe that is where my judgement comes from.

You can camp in my front yard if you’d like although my front yard is a huge backyard of an apartment complex—out the patio window. Of which I occupy a one bedroom because I ain’t made of no Dough Ray Me and have hit a few hard times myself. So I don’t wish it on others.

[Miss Shelby]

Not trying to be a dick, here. But I haven’t seen it mentioned here. There was a video going around that Kamala made a few days to a week ago. She was talking to her supporters and she appears drunk.

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Nobody on the left wants to even think about that, much less discuss it.

[-FX-]

Also, considering the giant shitshow going on, nobody even cares about Harris anymore.

[Miss Shelby]

I hear Pete H. might be a boozer too.

[-FX-]

And a crackhead