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11-16-2023, 12:20 AM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
I never watched much TNG/DS9/Voyager era trek when it was airing. Caught up on most of TNG a couple of years back, this year have watched DS9 and am into Voyager now. Mostly entertaining enough, sometimes excellent, but also some serious yikes at times.
One odd thing though, is how often these shows drip with nostalgia for the mid-20th century. The last season of DS9 especially with all the Vic Fontaine stuff, but it's a regular presence throughout (and can sit a bit weirdly with all the times the shows are explicitly critical of pre-Federation Earth society and politics). Is this some kind of intentional move to add relatability and sympathy to the unfamiliarity of the sci-fi setting? Does it work?
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11-16-2023, 04:25 AM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
DS9 started broadcast in 1993, and Vic's was supposed to be 1962 Vegas, so to viewers it would be a bit like a scene set in the early 90s... damn, in one year it will be as far to 1993 as 1962 was to them.
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11-16-2023, 05:48 PM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
Let me know if you run into it, fragment, because my memory is fuzzy, but I think there was a late-season episode where either Ben Sisko or Cassidy Yates pointed out that if the holo-program were period accurate, they wouldn't have been allowed in. youch
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11-16-2023, 09:20 PM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
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Originally Posted by Ensign Steve
Let me know if you run into it, fragment, because my memory is fuzzy, but I think there was a late-season episode where either Ben Sisko or Cassidy Yates pointed out that if the holo-program were period accurate, they wouldn't have been allowed in. youch
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Yes, IIRC Ben didn't want to go for that reason but Cassidy talked him into just chilling about it. It was a decent scene and it's good they put it in there, but it got resolved and then skated past pretty damn quick.
IMO they did better with the whole episode where Ben had visions of being in the mid-20thC and directly experiencing oppression.
I get that it might get a bit grim to have a lot more of that kind of thing, but they did choose to make "humanity can and should get a lot better" a significant recurring theme of multiple series.
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11-16-2023, 10:48 PM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
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Originally Posted by Ensign Steve
Let me know if you run into it, fragment, because my memory is fuzzy, but I think there was a late-season episode where either Ben Sisko or Cassidy Yates pointed out that if the holo-program were period accurate, they wouldn't have been allowed in. youch
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Yes, IIRC Ben didn't want to go for that reason but Cassidy talked him into just chilling about it. It was a decent scene and it's good they put it in there, but it got resolved and then skated past pretty damn quick.
IMO they did better with the whole episode where Ben had visions of being in the mid-20thC and directly experiencing oppression.
I get that it might get a bit grim to have a lot more of that kind of thing, but they did choose to make "humanity can and should get a lot better" a significant recurring theme of multiple series.
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You might be thinking about the time when Sisko, Bashir and Dax accidentally get transported back to the 20th century and accidentally becomes a hero/martyr in the history books.
Past Tense (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - Wikipedia)
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11-16-2023, 11:03 PM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
Nope, it's this one: Far Beyond the Stars - Wikipedia
Sisko has visions of himself as a sci-fi writer in 1940s New York and experiences police brutality and killing and has his story spiked because the publisher won't print a story with a black man protagonist in charge of a space station.
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11-16-2023, 11:15 PM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
As it happens, Past Tense, with massive poverty coralled into walled ghettos overseen by oppressive policing, is set in San Francisco 2024.
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11-16-2023, 11:48 PM
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Just keep m'nose clean, egg, chips & beans, I'm always full of steam
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What I loved most about DS9 was its willingness to portray the injustices and suffering that the hopeful, utopian future had to overcome, as well as some that linger in the 24th century due to human[oid] flaws that might not be so "evolved" as the Federation cheerleaders would like to think.
There were stinkers along the way (I was never a fan of the Sinatra Vic Fontaine episodes, and some just scream "filler episode"), to be sure, but also masterpiece episodes like "The Visitor," "Far Beyond the Stars," and "In the Pale Moonlight."
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11-17-2023, 04:50 PM
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I read some of your foolish scree, then just skimmed the rest.
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
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Originally Posted by Ensign Steve
Let me know if you run into it, fragment, because my memory is fuzzy, but I think there was a late-season episode where either Ben Sisko or Cassidy Yates pointed out that if the holo-program were period accurate, they wouldn't have been allowed in. youch
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Is Sisko in the Casino heist episode after Cassidy is surprised he's so grumpy that all his crew is caught up in a Vegas heist.
I most remember that Episode for Avery Brook's lovely version of "The Best is yet to come."
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11-17-2023, 05:11 PM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
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As it happens, Past Tense, with massive poverty coralled into walled ghettos overseen by oppressive policing, is set in San Francisco 2024.
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Deep Space 9's depiction of 2024 : r/Damnthatsinteresting
Podcasters and people on reddit talking about watching that ep in the 90s, we were like "that's a bit extreme" with the tent entcampments and the fascist cops. Hits a lot different now.
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11-17-2023, 07:49 PM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
lol Star Trek and 2024. Brings to mind The High Ground episode of The Next Generation, where Data cited the Irish Unification of 2024 to Picard as an example of terrorism leading to political change. It was a long-ass time before that one aired in the UK.
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11-17-2023, 10:57 PM
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Flyover Hillbilly
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
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"In the Pale Moonlight."
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The episodes in which Garak gets to show off the full range of his Obsidian Order skills are among my favorites.
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11-18-2023, 06:52 AM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
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lol Star Trek and 2024.
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I get amused by the (very occasional) New Zealand references. Apparently in C24 we'll be the location of the penal colony where Janeway recruits Tom Paris.
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12-14-2023, 07:14 AM
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Re: Star Trek is awesome
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12-25-2023, 11:26 PM
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