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The International Court of Justice (ICJ), known colloquially as "The Hague", is currently live (January 11th, 9:30 UTC) hearing an application for indication of provisional matters introduced by South Africa, accusing the nation of Israel of genocide in Gaza and requesting that the court order Israel to stop military operations and lift the blockade on food, medicine, etc. on the Palestinians in Gaza.


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Here is the recording for anyone who missed it. Israel will offer its defense of the indefensible tomorrow. I won't be waking up at 4:00 AM to watch it live as I did today, but I will watch it.
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defense of the indefensible tomorrow.
Look, Hamas wears white and moves, it was a clear sign of being a terr... oh wait, different charges, nevermind.
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South Africa, accusing the nation of Israel of genocide
[insert Will Ferrell crazy pills gif here]
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Are you saying it's the pot calling the kettle... I mean calling a spade... Jesus is there a non-racist adage I can use here?
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I have read everything current about this and researched all the background.

I mean I have imagined doing that.

I'm pretty sure elements of the following have some truth:
  • South Africa: We know a thing or two about this, from our history.
  • South Africa: We've changed. We're the Rainbow nation.
  • So people will listen to us.
  • China and/or Russia have, behind the scenes, supported or actively pushed for this, because pressure on Israel = pressure on America.
  • Lots of other countries have, behind the scenes, supported South Africa on this, because it's true.
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Are you saying it's the pot calling the kettle... I mean calling a spade... Jesus is there a non-racist adage I can use here?
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I was gonna say yes, but no, not really, because South Africa isn't really a "pot" anymore. So what I was really saying was, "I am old as fuck, and am amazed in some of the ways in which the world has changed."
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I haven't yet watched the Israeli defense and I probably won't. Every summary I have seen says they didn't present any new evidence, spent a large amount of time slandering South Africa, and doubled down on all their propaganda talking points, including some that were debunked almost immediately when they were first pitched. This is consistent with what I expected, so I don't think it would be a good use of my time to watch it. If the ICJ finds in their favor I might go back to see if there was some bombshell defense I haven't heard about, but I suspect there wasn't. I did see a few clips though, and I admit I enjoyed it when one of the lawyers' arguments was cut short mid-thought because "someone shuffled his papers".

Oh, I also heard that the US mainstream media broadcast the Israeli response live but not day one, when South Africa made their case. I don't watch the US mainstream media so I can't confirm, but this also meets my expectations.
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I think you, vm, are a terrorist sympathizer. That you do not fully understand that in our comfy life, we can actually know what is talking place over there. And that over there, you probably have no choice but to take a side. Here, in our arrogant academia wisdom, we don’t have to choose sides, unless it’s on the side of the adversary.

You’re old enough to remember 911. Obviously, it had the effect on you as much as it did the 19 year old in Target who was checking me out at the time that “I done carr wha happenin thay, it Ain’t got nuthin to do wit me”
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I think you, vm, are a terrorist sympathizer. That you do not fully understand that in our comfy life, we can actually know what is talking place over there. And that over there, you probably have no choice but to take a side. Here, in our arrogant academia wisdom, we don’t have to choose sides, unless it’s on the side of the adversary.

You’re old enough to remember 911. Obviously, it had the effect on you as much as it did the 19 year old in Target who was checking me out at the time that “I done carr wha happenin thay, it Ain’t got nuthin to do wit me”
Just idly surfing the net, happened to hit here, skimmed the forum list, saw this thread title and the name Miss Shelby listed as the latest response, thought me to myself, “Heh, I wonder what really stupid thing she said now?”

Now I know. :yup:
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Yeah I figured when I saw your screen name at the bottom of the thread it would be a big random nothing sandwich. And I was right.
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Yeah I figured when I saw your screen name at the bottom of the thread it would be a big random nothing sandwich. And I was right.
Is VM also an anti-Semite and a Marxist, a libtard, and an America-hating degenerate poop head?

Or are you just a total dumbass?

I wonder which is more likely to be true? :chin:
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Vm is actively siding with people who are taking a terrorist approach. Aside from that, I know nothing of the man, other than what he’s shared in the atrium.
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VM seems to be siding with the concept of Israel as the long term occupying force of land that doesn't belong to them. I don't see him siding with either terrorist group when it comes to how the fight is playing out.
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I think you, vm, are a terrorist sympathizer. That you do not fully understand that in our comfy life, we can actually know what is talking place over there. And that over there, you probably have no choice but to take a side. Here, in our arrogant academia wisdom, we don’t have to choose sides, unless it’s on the side of the adversary.

You’re old enough to remember 911. Obviously, it had the effect on you as much as it did the 19 year old in Target who was checking me out at the time that “I done carr wha happenin thay, it Ain’t got nuthin to do wit me”
So, if we refuse to stand, shoulder-to-shoulder with the Occupying forces, we are terrorist sympathizers?
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I think you, vm, are a terrorist sympathizer.
You forgot anti-Semitic. Everyone who even questions the right of Israel to do whatever it wants is an anti-Semite as well as a terrorist sympathiser.

This is pretty weak even for you.
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How is it that I've been outspoken in support of the Palestinian people for some time now and the first sincere (?) accusation of being a "terrorist sympathizer" comes from that account doing her best impression of a love-child of Fox News and Tourette's?
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Vm is actively siding with people who are taking a terrorist approach. Aside from that, I know nothing of the man, other than what he’s shared in the atrium.
Here’s a summary of all the people that have died in Gaza in Israel’s latest war crime.

Would you like to explain how all these dead people, a great many of whom are children and even infants who died in obliterated hospitals, people who had absolutely nothing to do with Oct. 7 Hamas attack and have been living in poverty and misery their whole lives because of the actions of Israel, are guilty of “taking a terrorist approach”?

But no, Faux News just told you some shit, and you nod your head up and down like a bobble head doll with a broken spring.
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Faux news? Where have you been? 2008? The source you used? Real unbiased.
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I did read it. And I I do think it’s unfortunate/tragic that it’s happening. That is why it’s up to us individually to help.
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THE HAGUE, 24 January 2024. On Friday 26 January 2024, the International Court of Justice will deliver its Order on the Request for the indication of provisional measures submitted by South Africa in the case concerning Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel). A public sitting will take place at 1 p.m. [7:00AM EST] at the Peace Palace in The Hague, during which Judge Joan E. Donoghue, the President of the Court, will read the Court’s Order.
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Here’s a quick recap of the ICJ ruling
  • The court says it has jurisdiction to rule in the case.
  • The court orders Israel to take measures to prevent acts of genocide in the Gaza Strip, must report back in one month.
  • The court says Israel must prevent and punish incitement to genocide in the Strip.
  • The court says Israel must allow humanitarian aid into the Strip.
  • The court obliges Israel to take more measures to protect Palestinians but does not order it to end military operations in the Strip.
- source Aljazeera
I think the court was wrong to stop short of ordering a ceasefire, but so much for Blinken's ridiculous claim that the accusation was "meritless".
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There's something for everyone to get upset about in that decision.
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