WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?!

[Petra]

Originally Posted by Godless Dave

I was going to suggest we all leave. We could trigger a Canadian economic boom while the US implodes under the weight of its own bigotry and arrogance.

And then, after said implosion, return to take it back.

Yeah, I can dig it.

[Godless Dave]

Originally Posted by lunachick

And then, after said implosion, return to take it back.

I don't know about that part. I already like Canada, and when global warming really takes off it might be an even better place to leave.

I'm serious. I feel like just giving up on this country. I'm not sure it deserves my hard work any more. And I'm tired of being in a political minority that is demonized for things we don't even stand for. It would be nice to live somewhere where my "far-left, elitist liberal" views are considered centrist and pragmatic (except for the weed thing).

[THX1138]

Originally Posted by Godless Dave

I'm serious. I feel like just giving up on this country. I'm not sure it deserves my hard work any more. And I'm tired of being in a political minority that is demonized for things we don't even stand for. It would be nice to live somewhere where my "far-left, elitist liberal" views are considered centrist and pragmatic (except for the weed thing).

My sentiments EXACTLY.

J

[Bella]

Not to be morose, or anything - but were we really expecting anything different?

[Godless Dave]

Originally Posted by Bree

Not to be morose, or anything - but were we really expecting anything different?

Expecting, no, but hoping for. They were tied in the polls right up until the end. And some naive part of me thought that more than half the electorate would realize Bush is the worst president of the last 100 years. That part of me is now dead.

Kerry did manage to carry Minnesota without your vote.

[Petra]

Originally Posted by Godless Dave

I don't know about that part. I already like Canada, and when global warming really takes off it might be an even better place to leave.

I'm serious. I feel like just giving up on this country. I'm not sure it deserves my hard work any more. And I'm tired of being in a political minority that is demonized for things we don't even stand for.

I can understand that.

It would be nice to live somewhere where my "far-left, elitist liberal" views are considered centrist and pragmatic (except for the weed thing).

Yep. Canada's good for that. NZ is, too.

[Corwin]

Yep. Canada's good for that. NZ is, too.

NZ costs a damned fortune to get to unfortunately.

I don't even know what to say about all this. I'm frustrated, annoyed, and royally pissed off. How can these people be so stupid? I mean if this was someone like McCain being elected I'd still have opposed him, and would have voted democrat.... but SHRUB?!?!?!?!?!?

Shit.

[Petra]

Originally Posted by Corwin

NZ costs a damned fortune to get to unfortunately.

Yeah, that'll be our isolationist policy - Stick ourselves way the hell out in the middle of nowhere, as far away as possible from the rest of the world.

It works, too. 'Cepting we still seem to be quite close to Australia.

Oh, well. Can't have everything.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by Godless Dave to Bree

Kerry did manage to carry Minnesota without your vote.

Yep, thankfully, Bree didn't matter.

I'm still feeling a mixture of furious anger and depression over the election, though...I really wish I could let out a scream at the top of my lungs, but everyone in at least a 3 office radius would hear me.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

They voted based on their values, Goliath;

Then what the FUCK is wrong with their values!?

I'm serious when I say that I want to literally pick up, one by one, every single Bush-supporter by the neck, shake them vigorously in the air while screaming "WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" And I wouldn't move on to the next fucko until I got a suitable answer from the piece of human waste whose neck was currently in my hands.

From my understanding, Daschle homesteaded his place in DC, making him a "Washington asshole" and that pissed off the South Dakotans.

The Thune campaign somehow (don't ask me how) got a clip of Daschle saying "I'm a D.C. Resident." WELL NO FUCKING SHIT!! HE'S A GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING SENATOR!!! OF COURSE HE'S GOING TO BE A FUCKING D.C. RESIDENT!!!! GUESS THE FUCK WHAT?! THUNE WILL BE A D.C. RESIDENT, TOO! DOES THAT MAKE HIM AN EVIL FUCK AS WELL!?

Wait, Thune is ALREADY an evil fuck!

We all are angry, but we need to find contructive ways to channel that anger and try to keep Bush from stripping us of our rights completely.

It's too late. It's only a matter of time. I predict that this country will be a Theocracy by December 31, 2006 (although I desperately hope that I'm wrong about that).

[lisarea]

Originally Posted by Bree

Not to be morose, or anything - but were we really expecting anything different?

Oh, my. How hip and cynical of you.

Yeah, I fucking did. How stupid of me. I actually did expect something different. I expected better from you and people like you. I thought you'd do the right thing, and you didn't. In fucking droves.

Boy, did you guys ever show me!

You must feel so impossibly clever right now, how you sat home and cast your vote for apathy.

Still banking on not being drafted because you're gay? What a bonus that is! Oh, what delicious irony that the hate vote you refused to counter may have been the deciding factor. Works out OK for you, though, huh? You'll never get drafted.

Hey. Maybe you should rub my kid's nose in it, too. That little dork went out and voted! I'll have to tell him that, while he was trying to cling to any shred of optimism he could last night, you never gave up that whole detached hipness that sets you so apart from the sheeple like him. But hey, he's the one who runs the risk of being drafted, isn't he? You don't have to worry about that. Maybe you can point your finger at him and laugh when they try to send him off to die. Maybe you should remind him how stupid he was to give a shit about people who can't be bothered to give a shit about themselves.

Oh, better yet! What about those stupid gay people ALREADY IN THE MILITARY!? Those fools not only have to fight the wars you're too cool to care about, but they have to suffer for the discrimination you ALSO don't care about! What a bunch of dweebs!

Enjoy a hearty laugh, or at least a wry smirk or whatever it is you cool people do, at all our expenses!

You won!

[Goliath]

Yep, you won, Bree. How does it feel? Do you want lisarea's son to die, Bree?

[Godless Dave]

Right on, Lisarea.

[livius drusus]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Yep, you won, Bree. How does it feel? Do you want lisarea's son to die, Bree? What the fuck is wrong with you!?

Bree's comment was bullshit; lisa called her on it and did it well. Your comment, otoh, is just vituperative, rhetorical nonsense. You want to get your frustrations out? Fine. Go to the gym. The people on this board are not your or anyone else's punching bags.

[Goliath]

If I had meant for the questions in my post before this one to be rhetorical, I would not have asked them.

Edit: Okay, fine. I took out the last one. Are you happy, now? The question about whether or not Bree wants to see lisarea's son die was not rhetorical, BTW, I asked it in all seriousness.

[Adam]

Again, incriminations and accusations are not productive. Not that I haven't been guilty from time to time, but still...

[livius drusus]

Whatever, Goliath. So much for thinking the best of people. See ya.

[Farren]

Originally Posted by lisarea

Oh, my. How hip and cynical of you.

...

Cool it Lisa. I didn't read the "A non-voter and proud of it" thread beyond the OP and I'm glad I didn't because that means I'm reading this in an emotionally unclouded state. Given the length of the thread (I just searched) I suspect it got to the very controversial stage.

The truth is Bree is cool. I can say this with some certainty because I've been reading her posts for about four years (since I joined IIDB). She's cool in a whole lot of ways. That she's a carrier for a single meme (voting in national elections is a waste of time) that's very not cool in your (and my) opinion doesn't make her a complete fucking asshole. Bree the person is a fuckload more than her antipathy to voting.

I'm a fucking asshole in this regard. I'm drunk, so I won't admit which very uncool memes I'm a carrier for 'cos its in my little treasure chest of the few things I'm still considering being overt about 'cos I know its not really cool but I suspect all but the most saintly of us are dickheads in one way or another.

As precious as Bree's vote is, the truth is the biggest culprits in the clusterfuck that is contemporary US politics are fundamentalists and the hatemongering fuckholes in charge of the Republican party in the USA right now, not Bree. As angry as you are about the outcome of this election, don't eat your own.

I'm convinced that your ideological enemies had as many, if not more apathy, given the dramatic registration figures for the Democrats in this election. The results of this election are a symptom of the sickness of fundamentalism, ignorance and stupidity in the US of A. Attitudes like Bree's are an exaserbating factor, not the primary cause.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by Adam

Again, incriminations and accusations are not productive. Not that I haven't been guilty from time to time, but still...

If you're referring to me, then what I say or do is completely irrelevant. Nothing that I do matters. The country is fucked regardless.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

Whatever, Goliath. So much for thinking the best of people. See ya.

Where, precisely, do you think I'm going?

[Farren]

And Liv, I think your comments on Lisa's rant are coloured by an affection that makes you use different yardsticks for Lisa and Goliath. Sorry, but I disagree. I didn't see Goliath's original post but a little evenhandedness in evaluating things wouldn't go amiss.

Lets not turn on each other.

With a whole lot of love, honestly,

Farren

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by Farren

Lets not turn on each other.

With a whole lot of love, honestly,

Farren

Love? I'm honestly beginning to wonder what the point of love is nowadays.

Maybe it'll be one of those mysterious "values" that'll be forced upon us in 2005.

[Farren]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Love? I'm honestly beginning to wonder what the point of love is nowadays.

Maybe it'll be one of those mysterious "values" that'll be forced upon us in 2005.

This begs answering

Love is when you care enough that when the other person hurts, you hurt, when they're happy, you're happy and when sometimes you realise that in order to help them be happy in the long term you sometimes have to say things that make them sad in the short term and other times you sometimes have to admit that you're an asshole or side up against another person you love, respect or admire.

And I love you, bro - and that's why I told you what I thought that your biggest problem interacting online was you on another thread and also why I think you've been unfairly impugned while someone else gets a free pass here.

If I'm sounding shmaltzy its the drink, tiredness and emotional overroughtness of having to watch America vote itself and by extension some of my friends down the crapper.

[livius drusus]

Originally Posted by Goliath

Where, precisely, do you think I'm going?

LOL. What, precisely, makes you think I was talking about you? Ever heard of people saying goodbye when they're leaving?

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by livius drusus

LOL. What, precisely, makes you think I was talking about you? Ever heard of people saying goodbye when they're leaving?

But...you're an Admin....unless you meant just leaving the thread.

Fuck, the headache and slight buzz are starting to faintly come back.