Mafia Game Thread - Page 8

livius drusus · #**176** 02-04-2010, 06:18 PM

Okay, so why even claim to have picked who you're going to block already? The pro-town aspect of this role depends on the player making good choices, otherwise you might as well be the prostitute. You may be right about Demi being scum -- God knows the flub was shady and she certainly laid it on thick with the "I'm just a simple cavenoob" cant -- but your gameplay is all over the place. At this point it seems to me you're just as likely to block the doctor or cop.

beyelzu · #**177** 02-04-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

That's all the info you have bey? You count as town and you can block one person per night from acting?

If we're going to not lynch bey (and that's not decided yet) we might also want to think about who we ask him to block on night one.

I don't think thats a good idea. If mafia gets choice on who does the killing, we wouldnt want to lay out our hand like that.

and if yall lynch me, be sure to check out my suspects or kill em.

:shrug:

But yeah, I was told that I win with the town and that I am a roleblocker.

Kael · #**178** 02-04-2010, 06:31 PM

Or at least, that's what you're telling us you were told. I've never really trusted a claim this early on. Still, Demi is also fairly suspect at this point.

I'll unvote for now.

beyelzu · #**179** 02-04-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by livius drusus

Okay, so why even claim to have picked who you're going to block already? The pro-town aspect of this role depends on the player making good choices, otherwise you might as well be the prostitute. You may be right about Demi being scum -- God knows the flub was shady and she certainly laid it on thick with the "I'm just a simple cavenoob" cant -- but your gameplay is all over the place. At this point it seems to me you're just as likely to block the doctor or cop.

It was kind of an amusing aside. the initial statement was supposed to be vaguely funny.

But I have already picked, i might change it or not.

and picking a town special is always a danger, cuz the specials are hiding something as well.

Demimonde · #**180** 02-04-2010, 07:00 PM

I don't like this, it seems so premature and off to me.

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Originally Posted by beyelzu

i am not going to engage with you on the possible number of specials such speculation can only hurt the town. especially since i think you are scum. and i explained how a claim can help or why we should leave an oppurtunity for a claim.

This was bey's response to my question about claiming and its benefit to town. Follow the link to see it in context. The thing is I hadn't been speculating on specials or asking him to. I thought this might be a scum move, to paint me doing something I actually wasn't, pretty basic misdirection. In light of today, I think it also might have been bait to get me speculating. And now this morning, bey's been speculating all over the place. Which as he pointed out, "can only hurt the town"

Having done some reading on the special roles in the wiki, I think he might be trying to fish for some tells such as is described in the published articles on that page.

He may be a roleblocker, but I don't think he is town.

Crumb · #**181** 02-04-2010, 07:17 PM

Hmm, interesting. has he really been speculating about number of specials though? :chin:

Demimonde · #**182** 02-04-2010, 07:30 PM

A thought came to me, ironically, as I was cleaning scum from bathtub.

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Originally Posted by beyelzu

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Originally Posted by Ensign Steve

I don't understand how a role-blocker is a "good" special. I can understand if the live body counts towards the town's live body count, but what can they block? A doctor heal? A cop view? Can they block a mafia kill? It seems like there probably more good roles to block than bad ones. That's more a question of game setup, though. I'm not familiar with the prostitute role. It seems like a person that would count as a town member but still be kind of bad for the town.

When I have seen good roleblockers in the past, the mafia had abilities, like one mafia actually made the kill, or perhaps could fuck up the cops view.

and there could also be a bad roleblocker as well

If indeed he is a "good" roleblocker, and he suspects that there might be a bad roleblocker, what possible reason would he have for wanting specials to claim. It seems counterintuitive to me.

Ensign Steve · #**183** 02-04-2010, 07:37 PM

He never said he wanted specials to claim. He reminded us that Dl was l-1 and to not drop the hammer until Dl had a chance to claim if he wanted to. That was to save Dl's from a lynch if he had a special role. A lynched player is no good to anyone. If he claimed special and survived the lynch, the scum would target him that night, but there's always a possibility that he could be protected or the kill could be blocked or any number of scenarios could happen to where the town could have the advantage of the special rule for a night or two. But if a good special is lynched before they get a chance to claim, we lose even that possibility. It is totally normal and prudent town behavior to give someone a chance to claim before lynching. Bey was doing the "voice of reason" (scum tell, lol).

Ensign Steve · #**184** 02-04-2010, 07:40 PM

Oh, yeah, it's also the case that even if the special gets killed the first night and never gets to use their role, the town's not having lynched him means the actual lynch is that much more likely to land on scum.

Adam · #**185** 02-04-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ensign Steve

He never said he wanted specials to claim...

He did say that, though...

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Originally Posted by beyelzu

I think I will go ahead and answer my thought process. i took him to the brink because that is what brings a claim.

Although he later walked that claim back.

Demimonde · #**186** 02-04-2010, 08:18 PM

I understand being the voice of reason. I found it somewhat persuasive in the moment, but also telling that he saved that for another post. With at least two newbs recently posting and active in the thread, I think it also possible that he might have hoped we would pile on. Then he could post that voice of reason and claim crossposts.

Here's the thing, I have the luxury of having bey under the microscope at the moment, because I know that I am town and his contradictions have been piling up.

The only reason he gave for bringing the vote count to hammer time was that he wanted to apply pressure. That pressure was already way up there and we were all waiting for Deadlokd to explain himself. A strategy sure, not the one I would choose, but hey different strokes.

Looking closer at the flailing from last night though I found another contradiction about his motives in cutting it that close.

emphasis added

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Originally Posted by beyelzu

because it puts him on the hotseat. til you get to one away it could still change easily. I was looking for a response and the one i got made me suspect him less. I cautioned against the hammer cuz having a special for one night is better than having one for 0 noghts.

but im done answering your questions demi. I think you are scum and talking with you wont help the town.

So at four votes D wasn't in any real danger, according to bey.

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Originally Posted by beyelzu

i wanted you to have the oppurtunity to claim. i wanted to force a reaction. i misspoke true. But I have I wasnt forcing a claim. I was applyong pressure like i always do. :shrug;

Same story but with a little more elaboration. But then he posts this:

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Originally Posted by beyelzu

because most of the time when you get to one vote to go you get lynched. i figured you would be lynched but in case you had a claim i wanted to make sure you had a chance to make it. if you are a special and you get to one vote away. you claim. i was doing the proper thing.

furthermore sometimes scum flail during their claiming and that can provide info.

This I don't understand. It's kinda circular. bey puts deadlockd one away from being lynched, because when you are one vote from being lynched you usually get lynched? And he figured deadlokd would be lynched?

But when others showed hesitation about lynching he dropped his vote.

Maybe I have tunnel vision, I don't know. I just keep seeing these glaring contradictions in his reasons, the more he talked.

Nightson · #**187** 02-04-2010, 08:56 PM

1. Crumb
2. Gonzo - 1 (Adam)
3. Kael
4. Megatron
5. Demimonde - 2 (beyelzu, Ensign Steve)
6. The Man
7. Deadlokd - 1 (Gonzo)
8. Ensign Steve
9. livius drusus
10. Adam
11. beyelzu - 2 (Demimonde, Deadlokd)

Not Voting - (Megatron, The Man, Crumb, Kael, livius drusus)

Crumb · #**188** 02-04-2010, 09:02 PM

I'm very tempted to jump back on the beyelzu bandwagon. But I feel a little uncomfortable being led so much by Demi. Aren't you supposed to be a newb?

Demimonde · #**189** 02-04-2010, 09:05 PM

I was a newb at Survivor to remember? :giggle:

I'd only been at the board a few months and never watched the show. But I'm a quick study. Anyhow, if you want anyone to do a close reading and analyze it, ask an English major. It's kinda what I do.

Crumb · #**190** 02-04-2010, 09:08 PM

I'm going to do a read through of the last few pages and vote for someone.

livius drusus · #**191** 02-04-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightson

1. Crumb
2. Gonzo - 1 (Adam)
3. Kael
4. Megatron
5. Demimonde - 2 (beyelzu, Ensign Steve)
6. The Man
7. Deadlokd - 1 (Gonzo)
8. Ensign Steve
9. livius drusus
10. Adam
11. beyelzu - 3 (livius drusus, Demimonde, Deadlokd)

Not Voting - (Megatron, The Man, Crumb, Kael)

I unvoted this morning. I'm currently without portfolio.

Crumb · #**192** 02-04-2010, 09:28 PM

I really want to hear more from The Man, Kael, Gonzo, and Megatron. I know some of you have real life stuff going on, but i am not a fan of people flying under the radar. So in hopes of getting some conversations going.

The Man: Who are your top suspects and why? Why haven't you voted for anyone yet?
Kael: Why did you unvote bey? Do you still suspect him?
Gonzo: Why is your vote on Deadlokd? Who would be your second choice?
Megatron: Who are your top suspects and why?

livius drusus · #**193** 02-04-2010, 09:32 PM

A most emphatic :yeahthat:

. I don't think anyone should swing until we hear more from the quiet folks.

Deadlokd · #**194** 02-04-2010, 09:32 PM

My vote stays where it is. It's too...all over the place.

But if I was going to change my vote it wouldn't go to Demi (who has not, in my opinion been leading us, just asking good questions) it would go to The Man.

Kael · #**195** 02-04-2010, 09:35 PM

For my part, I unvoted because my suspicions are about evenly divided and I'm waiting for something to sway me. Plus, aside from the Demi/bey thing, I'm still wondering about Gonzo and Megatron, and a little about The Man, too.

Crumb · #**196** 02-04-2010, 09:35 PM

Why is that?

Crumb · #**197** 02-04-2010, 09:35 PM

Sorry my above question was to Deaddlokd

Gonzo · #**198** 02-04-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by livius drusus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightson

1. Crumb
2. Gonzo - 1 (Adam)
3. Kael
4. Megatron
5. Demimonde - 2 (beyelzu, Ensign Steve)
6. The Man
7. Deadlokd - 1 (Gonzo)
8. Ensign Steve
9. livius drusus
10. Adam
11. beyelzu - 3 (livius drusus, Demimonde, Deadlokd)

Not Voting - (Megatron, The Man, Crumb, Kael)

I unvoted this morning. I'm currently without portfolio.

Me too.

Deadlokd · #**199** 02-04-2010, 09:50 PM

Crumb, it was his cryptic "I have my suispicions but I'm not going to share them.."

It's too early in the game to have suspicions let alone multiple suspicions. It sounded like a scum trying to spread some deflection.

Gonzo · #**200** 02-04-2010, 09:51 PM

After careful investigation and deliberating, I believe the following
1. That BEY is a vanilla townie who is (possibly) merely claiming to hold special powers in order to make himself seem valuable to the mob of peers. HOWEVER, to me, to the highest degree, I suspect that BEY and DEMI are two innocents at eachothers throats by special manipulations carefully laid out by less active accusing parties.

2. Or else, (and I believe this to be LESS likely) BEY is a mafia member who is, again, falsely claiming to hold powers valuable to the innocent in order to remain unlynched.

3. That we should hold off on BEY for now (but keep a close eye on his decisions to vote) and put our attention on KAEL and ENSIGN STEVE, who I suspect to be scum laying low. As KAEL has posted less often and given me less content to deliberate his innocence, I VOTE KAEL until further notice.

4. That the careful manipulations are being made by some very talented mafia member(s), while the other(s) keeps low and occassionally speak out joining the latest bandwagon. These small tweeks have caused a great PARANOIA in me and I feel as if I have to look deeper into several unmentioned individuals posts. I do not jump to conclusions as of yet because said people deserve the benefit of the doubt. My suspision towards KAEL and ENSIGN STEVE, however, has been stated for the record.