Brian Tamaki & Destiny Church - Profitting on the Prophet.

[Desert Dweller]

Goliath says

motherfucker.

and calls the other guy out for loosing his temper (which I didn'tnotice...it was just stressing a point.)
Then goes ... well he just goes...see yr goliath.

[Zoot]

To add further, Goliath is absolutely right that Seebs is saying that Tamaki is less of a Christian in the second sense, but Seebs only just as much a Christian as Tamaki is in the first sense.

[wade-w]

Here's another analogy, Goliath. Consider e and 2/3. Both are real numbers, but e is an irrational number, while 2/3 is rational. e is a transcendental number, while 2/3 is an algebraic number. So while they are both reals, they they don't have much else in common.

[seebs]

Originally Posted by Goliath

You're calling him less of a xian than you are, but he is just as much of a xian as you are. Get it through your thick skull.

I don't seem to recall saying he's less of a Christian than I am.

Because, guess the fuck what?! I wouldn't be criticizing Tamaki for being a xian.

Neither would I, and neither am I.

[Zoot]

Wow. It's like a cross between blasphemy and idolatry, all rolled up into one! Your one stop shop for false doctrines of every sort.

Seebs, what were you saying here?

[seebs]

Originally Posted by Zoot

Seebs, what were you saying here?

That the stuff these people preach contradicts a great deal of what Jesus said, fairly directly.

[Zoot]

That the stuff these people preach contraicts a great deal of what Jesus said, fairly directly.

Could that be easily interpreted as saying that they are less Christian than someone who preaches what Jesus said?

[seebs]

Originally Posted by Zoot

Could that be easily interpreted as saying that they are less Christian than someone who preaches what Jesus said?

In some contexts, yes, but not in any context where any two people are "exactly" as Christian as each other.

[Brimshack]

Note that Seebs' first post does not purport to describe anyone; it is a criticism of behavior and beliefs. If Christian values, ethics, and beliefs fell into the realm of involuntary movements, then perhaps one could then infer from failure to act according to those values, ethics, and beliefs that one was not a Christian. As it stands, however, this would be an invalid inference regarding any class of normative behavior. People simply are not mathematical functions.

[Petra]

Originally Posted by Brimshack

People simply are not mathematical functions.

No, but wade's answer waS BRILLIANT NONETHELESS, AND oops caps, reminded me of the film Pi. Kinda. The nuanced truth may truly be found in the math.

Of course it may also be found in the beer, which is where I believe I may have found it this afternoon.

[seebs]

Originally Posted by wade-w

Here's another analogy, Goliath. Consider e and 2/3. Both are real numbers, but e is an irrational number, while 2/3 is rational. e is a transcendental number, while 2/3 is an algebraic number. So while they are both reals, they they don't have much else in common.

I think this is a pretty good analogy.

On the other hand, at one level I have more in common with these people than I have not-in-common with them. On the other-other hand, I have more in common with any person you care to name than I have not-in-common with them. If you get around to filtering out all the stuff that "everyone" shares, the question is more interesting.

I would guess that, although these people and I both share a few claims about cosmology, that I have more moral beliefs in common with, say, David Gould, than I do with Brian Tamaki.

Statistically, I suspect I'm more likely to agree on moral and cosmological claims with a randomly-selected Christian than with a randomly-selected non-Christian, but the diversity of views is so broad that the statistical claim is mostly empty anyway.

[Desert Dweller]

I don't get it with all this math. Tamaki uses Xtianity, other xtians practice (one would hope anyway) and that's very different.

So Tamaki is a function of voter behaviour and another (ordinary) Xtian is a funtion of .... well not voter behaviour anyway.

I thought the guy who left (goliath) was just stirring...which is why he got pissed off and left. It had nothing to do with the use of Xtianity by politicians (for whom if there is a hell, there will be a special place reserved, just under advertisers and marketing people) who only care about control and gaining power. If they really listened to the Man, they'd stay well away from politics altogether and become fishermen or something, carpenters,...

[wade-w]

Thanks Luna .

Onthedole, Goliath is a professional mathematician. I simply tried to find an analogy that is close to home, that's all.