Yes, indeed.

Sauron · 12-07-2007, 08:52 PM

Watser? · 12-07-2007, 09:15 PM

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Just 18% of American voters believe that Iran has halted its nuclear weapons program. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 66% disagree and say Iran has not stopped its nuclear weapons program.

Stormlight · 12-07-2007, 09:34 PM

Considering this, one can be pretty sure that the US will lead the world into another fine mess of a war. Truth be damned.

erimir · 12-08-2007, 08:51 AM

Who you gonna believe, Bush, or your lying eyes?

livius drusus · 12-08-2007, 01:38 PM

I don't think the poll figures drive war so much as internal administration politics. What's different this time is that the Cheney hawk faction is getting real opposition from Rice, Gates, the intelligence agencies and even the military. It won't be so easy for the bomb-Iraners to get their way.

Schrodinger's Cat · 12-08-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Watser?

Don't be too sure yet...

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Just 18% of American voters believe that Iran has halted its nuclear weapons program. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 66% disagree and say Iran has not stopped its nuclear weapons program.

Dare I ask just what percentage of those polled have any personal experience of the subject? Should perhaps the poll have excluded those who cannot at least name Iran's leader, it's defence spokesperson and point to Iran on a globe?

Statistics such as those quoted mean nothing. Most of us, if pressed for an opinion, will choose to give an uninformed one rather than decline.

Ensign Steve · 12-08-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Schrodinger's Cat

Dare I ask just what percentage of those polled have any personal experience of the subject? Should perhaps the poll have excluded those who cannot at least name Iran's leader, it's defence spokesperson and point to Iran on a globe?

Since you don't need to do any of those things in order to vote, it doesn't make sense to require them for the poll.

I can't name Iran's leader, well not his last name anyway. Too many syllables!

Watser? · 12-08-2007, 08:06 PM

Sadly what ES is saying is true: these people can vote, even if they haven't the faintest clue about whether their asses are on the front or the back. So their misguided opinions do matter.

Dingfod · 12-08-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ensign Steve

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Originally Posted by Schrodinger's Cat

Dare I ask just what percentage of those polled have any personal experience of the subject? Should perhaps the poll have excluded those who cannot at least name Iran's leader, it's defence spokesperson and point to Iran on a globe?

Since you don't need to do any of those things in order to vote, it doesn't make sense to require them for the poll.

I can't name Iran's leader, well not his last name anyway. Too many syllables!

I think it's Ahmacrazyguy.

ceptimus · 12-08-2007, 09:19 PM

My mood, and my dinner jacket.

godfry n. glad · 12-08-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Watser?

Sadly what ES is saying is true: these people can vote, even if they haven't the faintest clue about whether their asses are on the front or the back. So their misguided opinions do matter.

But wait! Don't operate under the misconception that voters actually have a say in how foreign policy is carried out. I would think the last four years would be more than enough to demonstrate that.

Also, the "who should we trust?" question is an excellent one. I'm obviously no big fan of the Dumya chimpresident and his greedy grifter pals, but the Cocaine Importation Agency doesn't instill any confidence at all. Besides, the president has ultimate responsibility for every thing the CIA does.

I'm still amazed at the story that this 2003 data didn't reach the president until 2005 (or, alternatively, after his October 2007 statement), particularly since the issue has been a hot button for more than that long.

Now I see the CIA is getting its ass kicked for destroying video of prisoner abuse....I'd like to know who ordered that. Is it the CIA, or the administration goons inside the CIA?

Watser? · 12-08-2007, 10:36 PM

Maybe they should trust the IAEA then. They turned out to be right about Iraq and they have always been saying they saw no evidence Iran was making a bomb.

godfry n. glad · 12-08-2007, 10:41 PM

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Maybe they should trust the IAEA then. They turned out to be right about Iraq and they have always been saying they saw no evidence Iran was making a bomb.

Most 'merkans never heard of it.

Besides, most would view anything with "international" in the name as suspect.

Qingdai · 12-08-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Watser?

Maybe they should trust the IAEA then. They turned out to be right about Iraq and they have always been saying they saw no evidence Iran was making a bomb.

Caligulette · 12-09-2007, 04:56 AM

(I wanted to make the IKEA joke!)

Considering that a lot of experienced military were saying "Are You Crazy?!" (paraphrase) with the Iraq war from the beginning and what they got in reply was an early retirement, I doubt sincerly that their voices are going to be heard on this one, either.