A revolution in thought

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

If it's any consolation I highly doubt Sam Harris reads those forum discussions, or has anything to do with the day to day administration. But I do wonder, how long would you have stayed had you not been banned or had there not been moderator interventions?

I am also curious as to why it is not "that easy" for you to move on from a place you don't like and people you think are mean bullies?

I am not banned anymore. I would never go back though. It made this place look welcoming next to them.

It's not that easy because I have nothing planned yet. I will be moving on when I start marketing. But I have to get the book first, which is coming any day now.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Peacegirl, if you were really moving in the direction of 'greater satisfaction' you would have left here long ago and found a site where people agreed with you. That you are still here proves that this principle is not in effect, and Lessans claimed that it was in effect even without the 'Golden age' coming into being. This principle is supposed to govern all our movement in life, but your action of staying here disproves this point of Lessans book. Either that or your not moveing is an indication that you are intellictually dead?

On the contrary, her staying here is proof of the principle of greater satisfaction. If she went somewhere more congenial she would be less satisfied because she would be deprived of her regular fix of abuse and psychological oppression. Martyr complexes need to be fed in order to be sustained.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Without being challenged your ideas will be worthless mush. Challenges are supposed to help you correct and improve your concepts.

Lessans' concepts are perfect and cannot be improved upon. Therefore, challenges to those concepts are useless and without value.

[Angakuk]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

This just shows me that in all this time you have learned nothing, absolutely nothing.

Perhaps that is because you have nothing of value to teach.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Vivisectus

I do not understand - on one hand you claim that no-one really investigates your ideas, but when they do and ask critical questions you claim that this constitutes some sort of persecution. It seems the only thing you can tolerate is uncritical admiration of your ideas.

There have been very few critical questions, only a lot of accusations. You think you found errors with the right-of-way system, in his explanation of blame as being partly responsible for easing conscience, and of course his claim regarding light and sight. I am not expecting uncritical admiration of any of his ideas, but where is the critical examination? There hasn't been any, even when I offered the first three chapters online.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ChristinaM

This show is really entertaining but I feel that I must point out that there is a third option. You could always stop talking and get to work.

I know. I'm procrastinating because I could be working on an outline, but I need some impetus to get me going. Hopefully I will get out of my slump when I finally get my books and don't have to resubmit anymore.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ChristinaM

You're absolutely right peacegirl - you shouldn't change a thing because what you're doing is so phenomenally successful that it's perfect just the way that it is.

I didn't say my presentation is perfect, nor did I say I know the direction to take. I don't want to invest my entire life in this. I want to get the most bang for my buck, which means I'm not going to spend time on social media talking about the book all over again. I will advertise, but that's about it. As I stated earlier, I may create a forum where people can discuss the book and help with a grassroots movement.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Meal ticket.

We all have to eat.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by ChristinaM

Are poor people not to be included in this brave new world?

Please don't call it a brave new world; it sounds like Aldous Huxley's book and it has nothing to do with control of any kind. Poverty will be wiped out; even the poorest of the poor will be brought up to basic standard which will give them the necessaries of life, with the opportunity of improving their standard. No one will be stuck in a certain economic bracket.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by LadyShea

She admitted at some point that she wrote the silly dialogs ("Oh look, here comes a Rabbi" remains my fave line in the whole book). In fact, there was a list of things that when challenged, she stopped maintaining it was Lessans and admitted she had added (Trillions upon trillions of babies being born, fewer homosexuals when blame is removed from the environment). I told her she should list herself as co-author!

What is unknown is whether she actually wrote them, or if she merely took responsibility for some of the sillier parts to protect Lessans.

We have only peacegirl's word on these issues, and peacegirl proves on a daily basis that her word is untrustworthy.

With that qualification in mind, I'm pretty sure peacegirl told us that both the idiotic "trillions upon trillions" comment and the hateful anti-gay bigotry were the microcephalic brainchildren of Lessans himself. peacegirl outdid her illustrious father in the latter regard by likening homosexuality to crime, hatred, poverty and war.

She did indeed take the homosexuality stuff out of the book in an attempt to hide Lessans' hateful anti-gay bigotry. However, the unvarnished truth is preserved in this here thread, and is thereby part of ol' Seymour's permanent record.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Everyone is guaranteed to stay at their existing income when they join the 'Golden Age' but there is little provision for increasing your income as that would be seen as hurtful to others as that would increase their financial burden. Everything goes back to the principle that if you are not going to be blamed for any hurt, your consciounce will not allow you to hurt others, and asking for more pay would be seen as hurtful to someone, so will not happen. Wages will not go up, prices will not go up, but nowhere did Lessans state who was going to provide the money for all these guaranteed wages, they will just magically appear from somewhere. A lot of people will be put out of work, Police, Lawyers, Judges, most politicians, Psychiatrists and several others, and their wages will be guaranteed at the level when they were put out of work by the 'Golden Age' but Lessans doesn't specify where the money will come from.

You are so ignorant, it's unbelievable. He explained everything in such detail; you didn't read a thing thedoc, or you were asleep. All he said in regard to making a profit is that people will need to increase their volume because prices will be frozen. This will put an end to inflation.

p. 173 Now I am going to demonstrate (once again in an undeniable
manner) that when man is guaranteed to be given the money needed
should he be forced, BEYOND HIS CONTROL, to go below his
standard or to be without the necessaries of life and then guaranteed
never to be blamed no matter what he does — WAR, CRIME AND
INFLATION will come to an end out of absolute necessity —
TAXES AND PRICES will be forced to come down, and everyone’s
standard of living will be improved beyond their wildest expectations.
All these changes will take place without hurting one single individual
and of one’s own free will (or desire). You will understand this much
better as we continue, so don’t get discouraged or assume this is
impossible. Just bear in mind that I cannot put everything down at
one time.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

We have only peacegirl's word on this issues, and peacegirl proves on a daily basis that her word is untrustworthy.

With that qualification in mind, I'm pretty sure peacegirl told us that both the idiotic "trillions upon trillions" comment and the hateful anti-gay bigotry were the microcephalic brainchildren of Lessans himself. peacegirl outdid her illustrious father in the latter regard by likening homosexuality to crime, hatred, poverty and war.

She did indeed take the homosexuality stuff out of the book in an attempt to hide Lessans' hateful anti-gay bigotry. However, the unvarnished truth is preserved in this here thread, and is thereby part of ol' Seymour's permanent record.

You are the meanest, full of crap liar that I've ever talked to. What's your fuckin problem Maturin? This man did not have a bigoted bone in his body. You can't stand it, can you? He was perfect. He taught me compassion, love, kindness, and most of all he taught me that we're all equal in intrinsic value. He was the most unprejudiced man you ever want to meet, and I feel lucky to have had him as a father. While other people were using the N word in the 60's and 70's, he was teaching me to have respect for all people. When people your nasty tirade against this man, they will look at you as a nutcase, which you are. You really need help.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Angakuk

If the concept is supposed to be universal and relies on symbols that are not universal then the concept is, at the very least, inadequate.

I don't agree. Even though this concept may be difficult to convey in the Japanese language, it could be translated in a way that could be understood by the Japanese, once this knowledge begins to spread.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by Angakuk

Lessans' concepts are perfect and cannot be improved upon. Therefore, challenges to those concepts are useless and without value.

Originally Posted by Angakuk

Perhaps that is because you have nothing of value to teach.

Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop. I thought only Peacegirl did that?

[thedoc]

Angakuk, Thanks for the fodder.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

[hysterical butthurt snipped -- oops, nothing left!]

Leave the alcohol alone, stop scamming the government and get a job.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

Please don't call it a brave new world; it sounds like Aldous Huxley's book and it has nothing to do with control of any kind. Poverty will be wiped out; even the poorest of the poor will be brought up to basic standard which will give them the necessaries of life, with the opportunity of improving their standard. No one will be stuck in a certain economic bracket.

Where is the money going to come from for this 'basic standard' that Lessans wrote about? He was rather short on details of who was going to pay these minimum wages for everyone. He was going to shut down the government, so who is going to administer the funds?

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You are so ignorant, it's unbelievable. He explained everything in such detail; you didn't read a thing thedoc, or you were asleep. All he said in regard to making a profit is that people will need to increase their volume because prices will be frozen. This will put an end to inflation.

p. 173 Now I am going to demonstrate (once again in an undeniable
manner) that when man is guaranteed to be given the money needed
should he be forced, BEYOND HIS CONTROL, to go below his
standard or to be without the necessaries of life and then guaranteed
never to be blamed no matter what he does — WAR, CRIME AND
INFLATION will come to an end out of absolute necessity —
TAXES AND PRICES will be forced to come down, and everyone’s
standard of living will be improved beyond their wildest expectations.
All these changes will take place without hurting one single individual
and of one’s own free will (or desire). You will understand this much
better as we continue, so don’t get discouraged or assume this is
impossible. Just bear in mind that I cannot put everything down at
one time.

Where did Lessans specify the source of the funds for everyones minimum wage, chapter and verse please? For everyone's standard of living to go up their income will have to go up, and if everyone is guaranteed a good wage, who will do the down and dirty jobs that keep everything going? One of the big problems now is that someone who lost a high paying job feels that they are too good to take a low paying job just to get by. Many US citizens are too good to take some jobs, but bitch and complain when illegal alliens come and take those same low pay jobs, the alliens are not taking jobs away from americans, they are taking jobs that Americans will not stoop to do.

[thedoc]

Put 'basic economics' down as another subject Lessans knew nothing about.

[Stephen Maturin]

Lessans believed we'd have more than enough money to go around once we do away with spending on war, defense, crime prevention and prosecution, etc. Everyone would be "guaranteed" a minimum basic standard of living, but no one who's capable of working could ever take advantage of the guarantee by simply kicking back and collecting the money because the very thought of doing so would generate unbearable guilt.

The guarantee varies. Thus, the Koch brothers rake in billions per annum, so their guarantee is much greater than that of some poor slob who's forced to do backbreaking physical labor for 18 hours a day in exchange for a cup of rice and a thimbleful of uncooked rat meat. Said poor slob's guarantee might exceed a cup of rice and thimbleful of uncooked rat meat per day if it's determined that an increase is essential to providing "a basic standard which will give them the necessaries of life," but it'll still pale to insignificance compared to the guarantees of rich folk. Cuz that's fair, don'tcha know.

Originally Posted by thedoc

Put 'basic economics' down as another subject Lessans knew nothing about.

[thedoc]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You are the meanest, full of crap liar that I've ever talked to. What's your fuckin problem Maturin? This man did not have a bigoted bone in his body. You can't stand it, can you? He was perfect. He taught me compassion, love, kindness, and most of all he taught me that we're all equal in intrinsic value. He was the most unprejudiced man and I feel lucky to have had him as a father. While other people were using the N word in the 60's and 70's, he was teaching me to have respect for all people. When people your nasty tirade against this man, they will look at you as a nutcase, which you are. You really need help.

It seems, from her posts on this thread, that Peacegirl has forgotten all those lessons her father taught her.

[thedoc]

Oops, add all the worlds military to the list of the unemployed receiving the new minimum wage.

[peacegirl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Maturin

Leave the alcohol alone, stop scamming the government and get a job.

You're despicable!

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by thedoc

Oops, add all the worlds military to the list of the unemployed receiving the new minimum wage.

Oh yeah. Lessans tells us that soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen will need to find work elsewhere in the novus ordo seclorum. Ditto cops, judges, court personnel, liability insurance company employees and anyone else whose employment is in any way blame-related.

Also, there be no laws in the new world. There will, however, be lawmakers.

[Stephen Maturin]

Originally Posted by peacegirl

You're despicable!